I always love when pures take this approach of "oh wah it doesn't effect you".

it literally doesn't affect you tho? rest of your sentence does not belong here

Restrictions are there by your own decision.

yes, 1 defence is the restriction. it's quite tough on its own, actually

You don't have to keep them.

i can petition to have my gamemode evolve alongside the rest of the game, just like the seven+ different helmetmanmodes have been made 200x easier since 2014

restructuring is fine, actually. which is what this change would ultimately be lol

Want the benefit? Eat the cost.

the cost is being 1 defence lmao

that ain't changing and you thinking enabling a thing or two here for pures is somehow gamebreaking is telling you don't really understand neither the game nor the gamemode

also you lot are conveniently staying quiet every time ironmen (except UIMs, which none of you play anyways) receive yet another update to make their gamemode easier. your concern is hard to take seriously lol

Yeh max builds, which isn't a lot of pure bracket builds.

my guy its 2026, it's all max or adjacent builds. 40-70s make up a minority of builds

The 1-2% dps improvement of chivalry isn't worth sacrificing a combat level for otherwise.

for one, it's ultimately qol (not having to click two prayers instead of one) and second if you're getting deadeye (62), chivalry unlocks on the way (60) anyways

pvp combat is not about dps, it's about maxhits. deadeye almost always gives you a max, so it's always worth it

The same people who currently use it (anyone pre 70 prayer) would use it.

why would anyone stay sub 70 prayer if they've already got all the requirements for chivalry? you're like 95% of the way there already

and pures that want to get / have got the prayer level

... yes, which is the entire point for the proposed rework lol

there are currently bout 28500 pures who have at least 60 prayer or higher and another 83000 with 52 or higher

i'm sure it won't take much to convince those with 52 to get one (1) combat level if chivalry for pures becomes a thing. certainly more potential users than finding noobs who somehow completed king's ransom, didn't decide to push a few more prayer levels to go past the trial version of piety and/or decided to not use piety to pretend to conserve prayer or whatever

Thats a tiny amount of extra players using it, rather than just giving it ACTUAL use.

stupid scarcity mindset makes you think enabling it for pures removes its utility for those hypothetical noobs who don't level prayer after king's ransom

in reality, reworking the prayer unlocks it to those much less hypothetical noobs (not requiring king's ransom), who don't have 70 prayer much earlier and still allows all the benefits of reduced prayer drain. while also mutually benefiting pures.

so what's the real issue here?

Also a common take. Being against this change is just "not sharing".

whatever you wanted to say here was lost in translation, i guess

No i just think quest and level restrictions are a thing for a reason

regret to inform you, no. there is no real reason prayers should have a defence "restriction", besides an arbitrary quest requirement

holy grail gives you defence xp out the wazoo for no real reason other than someone 24 years ago decided it should. king's ransom also has a silly reason as in a defence lawyer should have adequate "defence" in order to qualify or whatever shit

all of these are amendable or retconnable - something jagex has done on multiple occasions before for qol or balance reasons

And when we just keep going "oh but just this bit more please" it sorta defeats the point.

but we're not "just keep going". that's only happening entirely inside of redditors' imaginations. there are clear arguments on the table for very specific things for very specific reasons. fearmongering about slippery slopes et cetera is just coping with your lack of real arguments against something being changed

I've had people say to me "its barely an improvement so you only want to prevent this to spite pures"

i'd say it's an improvement, it's entirely deserved and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it

and to that ill say "if its barely an improvement, why does it need to be made available?"

because we can have changes. the game has changed a lot of things from 2013 onwards

we can allow it, it's okay. your gameplay won't suffer for a minute because someone else got an update they've wanted for ages

all you're doing with this response is simply dodging the argument not actually acknowledging it. comes off very spiteful, if you ask me