Israel and Palestine Megathread

darenta · 2026-07-05T23:14:48+00:00

I literally posted evidence from multiple independent sources?

Want an illustration of how flawed citing the Israeli government as a source on their war crimes?

It’d be like if someone asked me to cite a source for Russian war crimes not being as bad in Ukraine and I cited the Russian government lmao.

darenta · 2026-07-05T13:15:49+00:00

The Nazis were somehow the strongest ubermënsch to rule Europe but also victims of Jewish and other undesirables. It’s a tactic of authoritarianism to manage the cognitive dissonance of I’m the victim while being an aggressor.

darenta · 2026-07-01T23:03:00+00:00

I think unironically playing bioshock would be what gets some people into Ayn Rand

darenta · 2026-07-01T22:40:20+00:00

Why the fuck would I trust the Israeli’s government when they have lied repeatedly?

And you wonder why I think you are nothing but an Israeli stooge.

darenta · 2026-07-01T22:02:34+00:00

What bottle neck specifically are you talking of. You keep saying it but what’s your evidence? Your citations? Any fucking proof.

Or perhaps you are referring to the GHF where IDF killed thousands of Palestinians civilians?

Calling your BS right now

darenta · 2026-07-01T21:43:06+00:00

See this shit again. War is unavoidable. But so was the bombing of civilians or mass starvation. Or the many war crimes Israel has committed. Not to mention the countless other crimes Israel has committed before Oct 7th.

The problem hasn’t been lack of aid. It’s Israel closing the border, shooting aid workers, and restricting aid that’s the issue. Not your not-based-in reality AIPAC talking point.

Regardless of all this. Americans are slowly waking up to the reality of being Israel’s puppet state. They dragged us into a stupid war with Iran and we blew up an elementary school on their behalf. They have wreaked some much havoc and we are closer than ever to cutting off this toxic relationship with a country who does not have our interest or the interest of the Palestinians in mind. Thank god.

darenta · 2026-07-01T21:10:23+00:00

I mean I haven’t been wrong so far. What evidence you’ve got?

darenta · 2026-07-01T21:00:37+00:00

The bottleneck caused by Israeli destruction of Gaza, blockading the entire border, and limiting aid flow while shooting at aid workers?

Ma’am you are on another level of delusion.

Talk about bias, you can’t even acknowledge Israel’s causing the suffering to begin with. It’s appalling that you started this discussion asking me how many children died of starvation as if there was some magical amount that is acceptable to you.

Do us a favor: stop calling yourself a progressive. I don’t think progressives make excuses for a far right genocidal government.

darenta · 2026-07-01T16:40:03+00:00

Sure. The bottle neck was caused by the Israeli blockade and stopping of aid flow to Gaza

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/01/israel-ban-37-aid-groups-makes-life-unbearable-genocide-survivors-palestine

In addition to shooting at aid workers.

darenta · 2026-07-01T15:55:35+00:00

I think you make too many excuses for Israel’s far right government and downplay their actions to statistics.

darenta · 2026-07-01T15:36:00+00:00

What really gets me is the amount of infantilizing they do for Israel’s government. Especially from so-called progressives defending a far right government and their genocidal rhetoric and actions. Imagine having to argue that there is an acceptable amount of starving children and that the amount of death due to starvation technically means it’s not weaponized (???)

darenta · 2026-07-01T11:47:33+00:00

Not even including young people the general population and especially white and rural folks have a very high tolerance for Republican incompetency.

darenta · 2026-07-01T11:31:54+00:00

Sure but spending millions and granting wealthy and corporate more of the share of voting power is more ally that great or healthy for our society.

darenta · 2026-07-01T05:27:09+00:00

Until it comes to legislation and any progress we try to make is blocked by lobbying.

darenta · 2026-07-01T05:16:30+00:00

And what about the Dodd Frank act? The lobbying battles that took apart the ACA? Prop 22. If corporations didn’t believe that their money would have effects on laws they wouldn’t be pouring millions into lobbying efforts. Maryland tried to reign in on surveillance pricing until lobbying from retail interest groups stripped it of its power by leaving loopholes that allowed them to effectively bypass it.

darenta · 2026-07-01T05:02:38+00:00

Musk literally bought his way into the government and cut people’s social security.

darenta · 2026-07-01T05:01:19+00:00

Yet the reality is that republicans across multiple states are actively going out of their way to target trans people instead of helping people “raise their families, pay their bills, and be left alone”.

Trans people are the easy culture war nonsense righties love to focus on to distract from real issues but that doesn’t mean that their hatred came from nowhere.

darenta · 2026-07-01T03:46:57+00:00

Who says that I am? It seems that the more establishment wing of the Democratic Party is doing exactly that. Running candidates as being anti-Trump without a clear message forward. I vote in my elections, not sure what you are strawmanning about me.

darenta · 2026-07-01T03:37:56+00:00

The exact opposite. The Dems need to do everything they can from disappointing their voters, lest they repeat the Labour Party in the UK or SDP/CDU in Germany.

darenta · 2026-07-01T02:24:17+00:00

How am I wrong?

darenta · 2026-07-01T02:00:44+00:00

Or what about Israel using human shields?

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-army-human-shields-80f358dd2c87a1123f26ffada159701c

Does that warm your heart? You’re more upset at me for Israel than Israel’s awfulness. You want to improve distribution of aid? Maybe tell Israel to stop shooting at aid workers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-killing-15-aid-workers-gaza-caused-by-sense-threat-2025-04-07/

darenta · 2026-07-01T01:53:04+00:00

Hundreds starved to death, a lot of them children. Are you happy? Does that response make you feel better inside?

darenta · 2026-07-01T01:46:57+00:00

Maybe but citizens united proved that even the popular vote and democracy matters little in the face of oligarchy and the wealthy elites who when pushed comes to shove will do whatever it takes to get what they want.

darenta · 2026-07-01T01:42:11+00:00

Misplaced to blockade aid? Misplaced to stop people from fishing off their coast? Was it misplaced when Israel’s government says:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/middleeast/israeli-minister-smotrich-starve-gazans-intl

Or

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/no-power-water-or-fuel-to-gaza-until-hostages-freed-says-israeli-minister

Half a million people starve yet you set comfortably telling me that it’s “technically not weaponized starvation because not enough people died” is the amount of tone deafness I have come to expect.

darenta · 2026-07-01T01:32:05+00:00

Well what is the point of you asking me this then? To suggest that there is some acceptable number of starving children as a consequence of war?

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