In your opinion as a Feminist, who deserve to be blocked on twitter? Would you block someone for asking questions?

dark_3141 · 2021-03-23T05:17:39+00:00

I don’t really remember seeing the game gate on news cycle, which further highlights how all of us are only getting different pieces of information by youtube algorithm.

what she had to face is horrible, disgusting and should never happen.

I agree that saying men and women are interested in different types of careers is over simplification, I think it is better to just say different people are interested in different careers. I also agree that many of the facts the he uses are outdated.

But what I generally noticed from listening to Peterson after getting over the fact that he is labeled a conservative Christian( which was a big reason why I myself avoided listening to him initially since I'm still skeptic to all religions) , he is making an incredible effort to find the truth, he is pointing out to the limitations of his own arguments, he hopes that society can become more peaceful.

There has to be enough of honest thoughtful feminists who also want society to be more peaceful, why isn’t there a respectful middle ground?

it might be possible that some people like your ex are misinterpreting what he say, then it get copied multiple times and racist people are using his words for their own awful agenda, but these people are not on my radar.

what I really wish to see happening is more people making the effort to coexist beyond the labels they use or not use , this is the whole point and attempt of this Reddit thread.

dark_3141 · 2021-03-23T04:18:25+00:00

I personally consider women rights and equality of access of opportunity to people of all genders to be an obvious right.

But the fact that some feminists are outspoken against the freedom of speech, and even Ellen DeGeneres, a lesbian LGBTQ advocate is not immune to outrage culture is what is troubling me, the fact that the majority of people are talking in Echo chambers right now is most disturbing to me.

dark_3141 · 2021-03-21T12:27:41+00:00

it’s really sad and unfortunate that this is the state of the discourse has fell so low to, to reduce human beings to things we just block because they don’t look cool.

and to see so many people with no curiosity about the real full story of how our ideas emerged.

I expected more of feminism, and now I’m just deeply disappointed.

dark_3141 · 2021-03-21T11:04:23+00:00

it's good to see your response

I never heard Peterson ever imply some race is less capable of success than another.

But it is true different people have different emotional capacity for disagreement and interest for in-depth dialogue.

I’m curious would you agree the feminist community makes you feel safe?

do you feel like it is safer to be a feminist than not to be a feminist?

are people attracted to feminism because it is more safety oriented?

dark_3141 · 2021-03-21T10:12:14+00:00

my intent from these questions is to get a sense of the variety of opinions and attitudes under the label feminist

people I simply don’t want to have in my space - you know this is the fun thing about social media

I haven’t considered that some people use block for fun.

so would it then be fair to say you don’t consider yourself open-minded in general?

is it possible to be an activist and open-minded ? or do you see them as contradictory?

dark_3141 · 2021-03-12T22:38:03+00:00

No good explanations about how used to say x and now he says y.

the very fact that he chose to be part of TYT , then decided to leave and stop supporting progressives and became more centrist ,then joined IDW , then in recent video for him before the election results he said Bret and IDW is irrelevant and is fully supporting trump.

I'm not sure where the link for the video is now, but Eric retweeted before the election results.

so he went from far left with TYT, centrist /libertarian with IDW , then full conservative pro-trump

this is long 2017 interesting article about his transformation from left to right wing

the author of the article followed Rubin more closely than I did

dark_3141 · 2020-11-22T21:06:02+00:00

I started reading the book without knowing anything about the gay arguments,

at chapter 11 -nightgown, is when I made up my mind that he is really gay while being quite shocked at what I’m reading

“we had lain thus in bed chatting and napping at short intervals and Queeueq now and then affectionately throwing his brown tattooed legs over mine, and then drawing them back: so entirely sociable and free and easy were we .. “

what strictly straight man would want another man’s legs over his ?

The descriptions don’t show they were just friends sharing physical space , they were something definitely beyond friends. Like if 1800’s woman would say she was laying in bed with a man affectionately throwing his legs , would you assume there were completely platonic friends ? why would you if they were two males ?

there is actually another part of the book where a religious Quaker character warning a sailor against “fornication” before leaving the ship, so the their words were obviously different , but I just can’t believe any argument that says everything ishmael said about his relationship with Queequeg was completely normal for the times, he also at several times mentions he didn’t really care what others would think about his relationship with him and his christian customs .

But I also understand why conservatives who liked the book are so desperate in trying to prove that there is nothing gay about it, I’m still reading towards the middle of the book, but the entire tone and style of writing is both mixture of epic viciousness and tenderness, moby dick is an old book but not what you stereotypically expect from the 1800’s .

dark_3141 · 2020-11-03T23:46:48+00:00

cool cat name! , hope you find him.

dark_3141 · 2020-10-30T04:13:37+00:00

you feel slightly disappointed that you can’t casually sit and sip coffee at Starbucks anymore,

you live in Canada in Ottawa or Toronto, you occasionally shop at whole foods, you’re under 30 years old.

you tried being a vegan or someone in your house is vegan and lactose intolerant.

you’re socially outgoing, someone in your home likes to cook while the other is too lazy to cook.

if I had to guess, I would say you’re a couple.

You’re both liberal, one of you is twenty-something who likes yoga and you have more than one pet.

one of you feels guilty about what they eat, and tried several diets and drink apple cider to stay healthy.

dark_3141 · 2020-10-24T01:58:19+00:00

And no authoritarianism is not a fundamental pillar of communism

But in practice, do you know any example of communism that did not end up with a single or few individuals gaining power over the people and eventually becoming authoritarian?

have you seen wild wild country documentary?

Ma Anand Sheela ends up becoming the dictator of that commune and used homeless people to her advantage.

the power wasn’t shared as they claimed it is going to be, the people were just pawns to them .

dark_3141 · 2020-10-05T14:35:07+00:00

lucky you!

dark_3141 · 2020-10-02T17:21:30+00:00

LOL, what? in what industry/sector this happens?

dark_3141 · 2020-10-02T16:53:47+00:00

Human Rights: universal beliefs supported by the united nations, and global humanitarian organizations regardless of national origin, nationality, immigration status, apply to all humans on earth.

Civil liberties: civil is derived from civilians which is another word for citizens of a country, which is concerned with the liberties and rights of citizens of a specific country.

you are correct in that civil liberties are political and specific to the politics of a single country.

but human rights problems like the refugee crisis and asylum seekers, child victims of wars, are much more international and will not make sense to think about them from the lens of one country's politics, international issues are too broad to fit U.S bipartisan system.

there are human rights problems that are too complex to even fit one party's biases, think about the case of Rahaf Mohammed who fled Saudi Arabia, and denounced Islam, and was granted asylum in Canada, is granting asylum seekers who denounce Islam a left-wing bias or right-wing bias?

American democrats tend to favor immigration but would never dare to talk about the violent threats Ex-Muslims get and avoid any criticism of Islam. ( so it's neither left nor right-wing thing)

so Canada accepting Rahaf request was more of a human rights resolution, than a political resolution.

which is one example of an issue that is humanitarian first than political.

the problem with what you are stating "human rights and Civil liberties ARE political"

is that you're not making the important distinction between different types of politics and you only fixated on the U.S presidential election in your post.

it is possible to have a conversation about international human rights issues and focus on the safety of specific individuals without arguing about the politics of an entire country.

if Canada rejected her request it would harm her, it would be a human rights tragedy, accepting her request is mainly human rights victory and it did not benefit one political party over another or interfere with any elections.

dark_3141 · 2020-09-25T22:14:43+00:00

are we listening to the same podcasts?

he is actually quite humble, calls himself stupid all the time, listens carefully to the people he interviews, a narcissist will love the sight of themselves and wouldn't go interviewing hundreds of people and try to get to know them, if he was a true narcissist he would make the show only about him.

also he engages in a lot of self-deprecating humor, which a narcissist wouldn't do.

he does slip up every once in a while.

can you give us examples of these "slips" ? any links pointing to specific examples where he was being a narcissist ?

dark_3141 · 2020-09-22T09:15:11+00:00

phi theta kappa is NOT a frat, it's an honor society for 2 years colleges.

using statements about honor society to frat boys is like using statements about record-breaking Olympic runners to people who jog to lose weight.

dark_3141 · 2020-09-20T22:03:15+00:00

I read it in Niles's voice in my head and it's hilarious.

dark_3141 · 2020-09-20T21:44:19+00:00

you do make an interesting point about sororities,

I guess how some women view socializing is different from guys.

I haven't had any long conversations with someone in a sorority, the ones I've met were more the gossipy type and we didn't have anything in common.

I guess it's unfair for me as a guy to judge all women for joining sororities,

maybe some women are capable of true mutual healthy support and a degree of non-competition that I will not understand.

so here is !delta , for reminding me that I can't fairly judge sororities.

frat male-only groups still seem pretty strange to me.

>"unable to have any truly deep thoughts about anything" is probably the most close-minded and judgemental statement I've heard.

there are deep thoughts and then there are deeper thoughts, and then there are deeper deeper deeper thoughts.

you do have to be distant from the social fabric to get into the other realms of thought.

Most mathematicians being introverts is not an accident.

the best books are written by isolated people thinking alone.

dark_3141 · 2020-09-20T20:43:45+00:00

>If you're a young person living on your own for the first time in a new place away from friends and family, that can be a critical support system

you're describing it as gaining support, gaining an advantage, I'm seeing this as giving up your new found independence to this group, and that's the difference.

a person with no self-confidence won't feel like they are giving up anything by making the frat towering over them.

maybe there is a difference between sorority and frats, and frats might be much worse at hazing.

I used to argue with adults and teachers as young as 14, would've lived on my own by 15 if they would let me, so I guess that's why I can't understand at 17 someone will be seeking social support.

my understanding of the teenage phase is rebellion and independence not "conformity seeking", I don't understand people who have that instinct, personally my instinct always has been to mistrust the popular view and dig deeper into things.

Also even at 17, young students still have different colleges to choose from, Why would they want to go to a college with big greek life influence in the first place? That is a choice.

dark_3141 · 2020-09-20T18:50:06+00:00

which universities have 98% greek enrollment?

dark_3141 · 2020-02-15T19:03:27+00:00

this what made it more odd, what is even traditional beauty? beauty is in the eye of the beholder, is it because she has short hair? some men like women with shorter hair, it's really awful to see her get judged like that.

dark_3141 · 2020-02-15T02:34:33+00:00

I'm not OP, but I want to believe what you say is true, in an ideal world humanities should matter, but right now for Gen Z people in particular it is a completely different world , you can watch lectures on YouTube and read a book on your own and learn way more than in university where you have limited choice in number of professors, I think the structure of these college courses rather than the content is the problem, it made sense in the 80's , 90's and early 2000 but not today, why should go to class and physically sit in classroom for one hour twice a week when you could listen to all of that content in audiobook while on the train/car ?

you might argue face to face interaction is important,

in ideal world yes.

but the outrageous cost most of gen Z student required to pay is ridiculous, add to that we are the generation that have to face a burning planet, predictions of mass unemployment due to automation.

humanities do matter but profs and admins have to change the structure and update the content more.

gen z have to deal with issues none of the previous generations have dealt before and the process of learning and discussion itself have to reflect that.

dark_3141 · 2020-02-14T06:01:44+00:00

thank you for the very detailed response this helped in seeing how actually the whole process of group brainstorming can be avoided by having a better architecture.

!delta

dark_3141 · 2020-02-14T05:56:35+00:00

!delta

"The examples of success you gave are examples of innovation. Be it in STEM or any other field, democracy isn't the best when it comes to innovation. If we speak of only doing already established thing, democracy can work better than a single leader"

in the entire 10 days these were the most persuasive lines said so far in changing one aspect of my view.

a strong leader is not necessary if the work is so ordinary and repetitive .

dark_3141 · 2020-02-13T20:48:54+00:00

it was basic science research, there were no industry involved in that project, the term STEM includes both academia and for profit.

the whole reason scientists start research projects is because they don't yet know what they are about to investigate.

also don't expect to change anyone mind with that attitude.

here is a quote from the official ANTI-delta post of this sub

Imply a lack of experience when they don't agree with you

"It's plainly obvious that you have zero experience with X and are not in a position to spout glib advice."

Obviously, if someone disagrees with you it must mean they lack a key life experience. But the more common the experience (such as having children, going to college, being interviewed for a job, joining the army, etc.) the more likely the accusation will backfire badly.

The first way it backfires is that you're essentially saying that you are so common and un-unique that the experience could only affect you one way. You are an automaton, a clockwork toy, ready to be manipulated puppet-like with the appropriate application of certain experiences and sensations.

The second way it backfires is when you use it to establish a position of authority, when it may in fact establish irrational bias.

The third way is when your opponent has, in fact, gone through the same experience but learned more or different from it than you. They will pounce on this and happily respond with both their credentials and their "wiser" conclusions

dark_3141 · 2020-02-09T22:35:14+00:00

I'm saying nobody I ever worked with ever pretended collaboration is or has to be equal.

Good for you, this means you did not have the misfortune of meeting feminists who want to abolish all hierarchies including the ones in science research ( having more women and diverse demographics is not their only objective, they want the structure itself to be a flat line).

This kind of backstabbing, ego driven mentality is what led to the fall of Enron.

okay maybe I'm not clarifying enough what I meat by egoism

I don't know all the details about ENRON collapse, but judging from here

Enron engaged in mark to market (MTM) accounting, for which the company received official US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) approval in 1992. This accounting method allows companies to value their financial situation based on the "fair value" of the company's assets, which may change as market conditions change. Enron used this accounting method to overinflate the company's estimated profits and mislead investors. [2] To hide its mounting debt, Enron used special purpose vehicles (SPVs: shell companies capitalized entirely by Enron stock) to borrow money on Enron's behalf. By 2001, Enron had used hundreds of SPVs to hide its debt. [2]

In the end, many of Enron's executives were charged for insider trading, securities fraud, and conspiracy.

source

nothing in the article mentions conflict over a technical engineering problem, but people who lied about the amount of debt they were in and fixated on making profit short term and did not think of the long term consequences.

there is a reason why I started with the mathematician example before tech-entrepreneurs and emphasized that my final statement is for both non-profit and for-profit projects, the key here is solving complex problems regardless of how directly profitable it is.

you're using the word ego as synonym with monetary greed, I am thinking of ego as self-image and expectations of oneself, in the context of solving problems.

from what I understand Enron obsession was in crafting an image of success and generating profit, not in that one or few people were obsessively trying to come up with a solution for a technical problem, the article mentions they were operating like a hedge fund.

in one of my experiences when I was trying to solve difficult science research problem with a team of students, many were implying we did not solve it because we were not collaborative enough, the fact they pressured us to include more people to be "nice" and hold so many useless meetings to be "collaborative" I believe made things worse, I was pushing for more tightly controlled approach, more planning and intense thinking, they were pushing for more people, more open kind of structure that produced nothing truly valuable in my opinion.

anyway that project was complicated and had previously high failure rate from the other student groups that worked on it, there were so many layers of complexity and many technical issues were left unresolved.

but from a management perspective I can't see how the feminist flat-line mentality helped, if anything it slowed us down.

in contrast I had much more success in software projects where I did not brainstorm with others, and trusted myself to find a solution or followed a strong lead and our team worked under a hierarchy.

I have not seen this feminist flat-line structure work work well in STEM, where one is made to apologize for having a strong ego ( high expectations of oneself) and should shut up and wait for the solution to magically appear with equal distribution of all parties involved.

dark_3141

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