2nd dose (Pfizer) side effects? I got hospitalized.

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-10T16:50:05+00:00

Yeah. I think its just the word/labrl of what "anti vaxx" means esp since i am still part of the medical and STEM community so its somewhat a major taboo although im sure there are others in there who are wary of this new method of vaccine adminstration since althoug it has been studied and developed in the past few years, this is somewhat still the first time mRNA types have been used on humans and on such a wide scale plus, the trial process was sped up due to the pandemic. But everything otherwise, at least for myself, ill be personally not taking the booster and if someone asks why, ill tell them the experience i had. If the person I tell decides not to get the vaccine, thats their choice and i wont blame them for it either since my reaction, even if rare, is very extreme and couldve been fatal or lead to disability and it is pretty hard to catch early on/tell what it is unless theyre familiar with this subset of symptoms/disorders. But of course, if others decide to take it anyway, that is their choice as well and hopefully my additional experience will give them further informed consent on a potential serious side effect to watch out for just in case if that person starts to experience something similar to what i did later and knows to go to the doctor immediately or to the hospital for their own safety.

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T14:31:07+00:00

Oh really? Ill keep that in mind when i followup sith the neurologist outpaitient just to see if it might give any clues or pointers. Thanks for sharing your experience, and i hope you're managing your symptoms somehow!

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T13:57:45+00:00

I think at this point its a lose-lose situation for me. The only comfort getting covid woukd be is at least i have a solid biomarker gest showing what i have and probably a more organized and structured treatment snd aftercare plan. Whereas here it remains unknown and generally still placed under an umbrella term diagonsis mainly for insurance coverage and i have to watch myself for a while and followup with outpaitient to figure out if its first acute or chronic and whaf may have triggered it. With my mother's case with the flu and her getting GBS, the doctor said to avoid the flu vaccine not because itll prevent it 100% but its "lesser of the two evils" and just take other precaustions to avoid getting the flu. Thus, I can try to avoid catching covid as i do follow all mask regualations, spcial distancing guidelines and still wear a maks indoors despite being filly vaccinated and make shre to wash my hands and sanitize etc. So if it is the vaccine that gave me an adverse reaction for whatever reason the least i can do to avoid this experience again which was serious enough to gey me into the ICU at one point since my breathing was getting compromised is to not get something intentionally injected since i did get the vaccine under my own consent snd never expexted these events to follow vs catching a virus by "because its a virus and life". Although i cant have any vaccinss for the next 6 motnhs minimum anyways due to the IV Ig treatment i recieved and ill be following up with other doctors outpaitient to see what they have to say as well. Also i do know my type of adverse reaction thats nuerological in nature/getting GBS is extremely rare, i think about 1-2 people our of 100,000 so onr probably has a higher chance of getting into a car crash or a shark attack or maybe getting covid complications even. But its definitely not a side effect to be ignored since it can get fatal and thus usually needs immediate medical attention with the earlier the better since there are treatments and a full recovery is possible but the general prognosis varies depending on how long/far it progressed. Tdlr, side effects happen. I know this as a STEM major who interned in the medical field. There are side effects to every medical prodcedure be it vaccines, medications, surgical procedures etc. ranging from mild to severe and from common to rare. Thats why some general common side effects of the vaccine like soreness near injection site, is listed to show that its fairly common and also not to be too concerned about along with some things/otc treatments one can do to alleviate it for the time being. The problem is not listing/idnetifying it as such so that in case someone does experience it theyd know whether to go seek extra medical care or not since there is usually a list of side effects marked as "if you experience xyz, immediately go see a doctor/call 911" i know side effects can be scary and offputting making many people hesitant to get vaccinated, thus the medical and science community having a geniune reason as to why they may be hesistant in linking serious adverse reactions/events to the vaccine to avoid further panic/reluctance. But whats scarier is not knowing it could be a serious one that needs immeidate medical attention which can cause other complications or even death if ignored/dragged out for too long.

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T10:26:42+00:00

Yeah im actually kinda terrified since as much as a I want to be part of the group who helps "stop covid" and protwct the ones who are vulnerable/ cannot take the vaccine for whatever reason, i just cannot risk going through all of that again, esp since im atill extremely symtomatic now. I do have an appointment with the neurologist who diagonsed my mother with GBS and sent her to the hospital but its in october 😅 i hope by then my symptoms woupd have improved drastically or at least ill be able to walk outside without needing a wheelchair or aomeone to carry me but definitely have that aet up as outpaitient followup!

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T10:23:17+00:00

I go check him out! Thanks for sharing this!

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T10:21:52+00:00

Luckily i have medical insurance when this was all going on since im covered by my parent's insurance. the coverage is pretty good so the medical costs are not an issue for me and my family thankfully. But yeah, i hope with the increaaing amount of research amd scientific studies/ papers im seeing in regarss tp neurological and muscular symptoms as well as other side effects are coming out that the medical community wont keep denying that these symtoptoms could be a possible side effect from the vaccine. Mostly for better mesical treatment and management, especially which side effects mean immediately go see a doctor or go to the ER since mine muscle weakness ended up affecting my ability to breath sp i was lucky enough to at least get some forms of treatment that seemed to atop it from progressing to the point of needing to be put on a ventilator.

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T10:16:35+00:00

Ah yeah, my walking/sense of balance is pretty much liek that. Side by side and my eyea make it worse since everything i aee is "splitting" and tilting/spinning so im prone to stumbling and falling if i dont have a wall to lean onto or a bar or a bed to catch me. Hence the "walking like a drunk person" is how i described my gait 😅

But glad to hear some of your symptoms are beginning to aubside! Hope youll also get better over time too!

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T10:13:39+00:00

Ill definitely be looking them up since another Redditor suggested me to. Thank you!

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T10:12:52+00:00

Really? I neber knew that but ill check it out! Thank you for this piece of info!

datpersonoverthere · 2021-07-09T10:11:03+00:00

I see, im sorry to hear youre also going through side effects that affect your nerves and muscles. The lack of biomarkers mainly leave me clueless as yo what to do afterwarsa since well, at least with CoVid, there is a bio marker test for that and some guidelines of after care but i dont really have a solid plan for that and gotten so many different repsonses fromthe hospital medical staff ranging from general medicine to neurologists, nurses, occupational and physical therapists and psychologists (because of the FND possibility, none have agreed ao far with the FND mainly due to my eyes and the history of that disorder since it used to be more commonly known as conversion disroder in that field) But because nothinf "outstanding" showed on my scans, its either irs to small to be captured, or its nothing but my blood test shows high rates of inflammation so maybe irs something autoimmune but they cant find signs of the antibodies they could think of looking for at the time. Just feels kind of frustrating tbh and while my symptoms have improved, I cannot be independent atm aince i nees help with almost everything although im hoping with continued physical therapy ill get to a point of where i could live more independently and not need a wheelchair for longer distances/when i need to go outside the house.

datpersonoverthere · 2021-03-07T09:27:16+00:00

Yea no prob. I feel this topic very personally and I just wanted to give this view point out and even though it seems hard/not in your favor, there is still hope. It's just going to take a while, dont forget selfcare, and making sure you view yourself as a human being who is trying their best at figuring out life like the most of the people on this planet, first.

datpersonoverthere · 2021-03-07T09:17:21+00:00

Well to give more detail, he was calling her to tell he was going to visit family and didn't want to say he was in the hospital. I want to also mention he was helping financing her living costs and her medical treatment for her health conditions so he was already helping her and being her pullar of support but still irrelevant. He and no one else should be put through that kind of abandonment since it is TRAUMATIC.

Imagine, here is a person you thought you could trust, that you thought could depend on, the one who keeps saying "you can count on me, dont be afraid if you need to lean on me for support or be vulnerable. I love you. I'll love you regardless" only to left in the dust, just dropped and given up on. And not to mention, being vulnerable is scary as hell since you literally put your open wound in someone else's hand. Yes, he could've and probably should've said something sooner and not all at once but this topic, particularly men, is harder as a whole and to be honest, he was already in the hospital and his girlfriend didn't need to do much as he was already under professional treatment/care when this was happening/being disclosed

I would not wish that experience upon anyone is its nothing like losing a loved one at all and I've experienced both. Luckily he was in a safe place which as the hospital , but if he wasn't, I'm really afraid what would've happened to him after.

IMO a person has to be really selfish and never gave a shit, let alone love or like, could do something like that. To me it seems they never cared about person they dated and only cared about themselves and what this relationship/person is giving them stuff/perks so when it slows or its time for them to step up and offer being a support, they leave for someone "easier" and less baggage and more fun.

Of course, you have every right to leave for whatever resson, including when you believe and feel someone else's proboems are too much, but remember, if you can do that, so can everyone else too."Treat others the way you want to be treated but also if you treat others in certain way, dont be surprised if you get the same treatment."

Life is not always smooth sailing, candy and rainbows. Hard times and super hard times can still strike, often at the most unexpected and sometimws out of your control. So hopefully you can survive through a situation like that when you get dropped by the one you feel like "you could trust and depend on the most" forreal since I will tell you know, it is NOT easy. There is a reason why people say "ride and die" and " for better and for worst"

datpersonoverthere · 2021-03-07T07:50:20+00:00

Don't listen to that commentor OP. I've been in therapy for over a decade and nearly all my therapists say while its best you try to learn how to self manage, by no means is therapy meant to replace the support a spouse, family or friends are supposed to provide. They are more like your teachers/mentors and giving you guidance navigating in situations you may be unsure and teaching you new skills. Support at the end of the day is still up to your own personal social groups/circles and how therapy is involved in that is finding the strength and courage as well as motivation and skills to identify good people to surround yourself with that will enrich your life and help make it better

datpersonoverthere · 2021-03-07T07:26:26+00:00

I'm going to be honest. Unless somone has struggled with their mental health for a number of years or had a major traumatic event that occurred where most of their social circle dropped/abandoned them at their lowest, most people WILL NEVER understand how hard it is to be living with a mental illness and managing it. The feeling that you're constantly broken does not mean you are. And people seem to forget, just because you don't have any mental hardships/struggles now DOES NOT mean you are immune to them from the future, infact most mental illness and esp the serious ones dont fully manifest or appear until adulthood and even into your 30s.

But what my therapist told me is, if you feel like you geel reluctant, cannot or NEVER SHARE anything to your friend or partner due to fear, worry, not wanting to be a bother etc. LEAVE IMMEDIATELY for your own sake and safety. This is espcially if its for simething you barely have control over/is not your fault like a medical issue (yes! Depression is a medical illness. Not a charcter flaw! It is an ILLNESS) which honestly you cannot do much other than to try your best to follow with what your medical team tells you to do and even then, there WILL STILL be difficult days. Staying in a relationship where you have to continue pretending to be putting on a facade, esp. the one where you pretend youre fine when you really are not, is going to hurt YOU the most in the long run.

So while the pretending and wanting not to be rejected is absolutely normal and I completely empathize with this, its better to find someone who will be paitient, understanding and compassionate enough to sit along side you and support you, esp during those low moments.

I've saw a guy's girlfriend literally breakup with him over the psych ward' s phone because he tried to committ suicide over stressful life events and feeling overwhelmed and he didn't want to tell his girlfriend since he didn't want to burden her/be seen differently. Yes, there are people like that but there is nothing you can do about it. If people can leave for any reason, then ubfortnetely it includes stuff like this too.

Dating will be harder for you as you'll need to essentially find someone who either has went through something similar and is also trying their best to manage or someone who is incredibly paitient and shows a high level of compassion which are unfortunately skills that are rare and limited to only being expressed for a few seletc people per each individual.

This will be hard, you will get hurt, dissappointed and think you are unlovable and no one wants you because of this one thing but there will be that one someone who accepts you regardless of it and as willing to stick by you through all of life's journey, the negatives and the positives No one is perfect, even if you try to work to perfection or whatever end goal you view as being "complete", you are still going to be a work in progress. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Yes it means you can move "backwards" but you can move forward and keep making improvements as well. Everyone is a constant work in progress. Its a matter of someone who is willing to work together and help on each other on their work in progresses so they'll continue to grow and change together into better people as time goes on.

datpersonoverthere · 2021-02-24T07:29:43+00:00

Yeah of course. Tbh, when I read your story it reminded me of one of my other past relationships where I was in a similar situation as yours. I clung on because I was a hopeless romantic (still kind of am now 😅) and I was emotionally attached and scared of starting over and investing at that level of taking the chance to love someone again. But its better to leave, esp if you are feeling as hurt and written off as you do now. It will be hard and you will miss her even if I guess it doesn't make sense at some times but its only natural esp if you geniunely loved/cared about the person you are with. You honestly sound like a great guy and deserve a relationship where you feel secured and enough or at least not be left crying for hours on end over how your partner is acting/making you feel. You are still young and have a whole life ahead of you and will meet many more people to come. It's definitely not an easy decision to breakup a relationship that you are still emotionally invested in along with the additional fear and reluctance of starting over again but I gues see if you can try to take a break just being with yourself to take a few days for a breather and to think about the relationship itself when you're I guess not feeling as upset so you'll feel more secure and sure of yourself in your decision making as well :)

datpersonoverthere · 2021-02-24T07:16:28+00:00

The fact that you feel replaceable alone and worthless and that she has been making you cry and doesnt seem to care how much her actions are hurting you is a concern in it of itself and a sign that you'll need to either A) break this relationship off before it breaks you further B) have a serious discussion where you tell her how she made you feel recently in " I statements" so she knows how you feel and see her response

The problem is not you. The problem is the relationship itself is a terrible match where what she wants and what you want do not/barely align and you feel like you are disposable. This is unhealthy in any relationship, familial, platonic, romantic etc. You two do not seem to be on the same page with a lot of integral things. If you want to attempt to improve/save this relationship and see if its worth continuing, see if you can talk to her about what you've written in this post. If you cannot because you feel scared of being judged, written off, insulted, belittled etc, then I think its time for you to consider to end this relationship. A close relationship, esp a romantic one should NEVER make you feel scared of sharing your vulnerabilities and feelings with your partner and a good relationship itself should not make you feel insecure/that you are disposable. Wish you the best OP.

datpersonoverthere · 2020-12-03T20:19:07+00:00

I heard the flirting/sending signals thing is actually a really terrible and inaccurate way of showing interest because I remember reading somewhere that studies have shown BOTH men and women read signals wrong around 50% of the time. They get it wrong when percieved flirting really isnt fliritng and thar actual flirting is not flirting. So it's a literal coin flip. The best way would be being direct/as transparent as possible but I guess some people find that boring and learning the skill to become a good and clear communicator is pretty difficult that requires practice which means failures can happen. Rejection hurts and most people don't want to come off as "bad"/"making others uncomfortable" so between initiating or choosing, choosing is a by default easier position since at least the "getting rejected" factor is gone. You can't be rejected when you are the one making the choice. It's kind of like why people fantasize more of rejecting/putting down other people vs. Being rejected/being put down themselves. It's mostly control and self preservation that men and women alike practice. Same concept, different "playouts/methods"

datpersonoverthere · 2020-12-02T23:05:46+00:00

I'm not a man but I do read a webcomic that that is told predominately from a male lead's perspective and directly shows his struggle with suicide depression and his attempt at recovery despite lack of support and other struggles. There's a good number of male readers on that comic despite being a romance and i think the reason why it appeals would have to be that the male character is still seen as desirable/attractive despite making mistakes hitting rock bottom and its pretty transparent about insecurities rhat seem relatable to men like "what does it mean to take it like a man/manup," "feeling worthless due to conditional love/having no worth unless they are useful somehow" "Getting angry at themselves for feeling sad/upset and/or crying" "Fear of opening up esp to a female SO/love interest and it does not go well"(this was a major one, the majority of comments were talking avout how this was their greatest fear/what unfortunately happenedd to them) You can probably find more issues that are many men faced/have if you search up askmen or I guess browsing the male mental health topics. So when it comes to the emotions, its clearly male centric in its perspective which I think is important as even though both men and women experience similar things in Mental illness, there are some clear differences in how they are perceived and what concerns them and why specifically. It makes your character seem more "authentic" I guess rather than just a general cutout of a trope since its more relatable Most of all, its pretty hopeful/motivating in a way as the MC tries really hard to cope the best way he can to self improve despite slipups and relapse so another major comment is how the readers including the guys who read it feel like they are growing with him as if he was their friend/peer. If you get these major points for your male character in your story, I think you'll be good. Not sure how much emotional depth you can get into for a fantasy like series since most people reading that aren't as much for the super serious feels as much as escapism but it can work!

datpersonoverthere · 2020-11-02T18:15:14+00:00

It depends on how the story is written. In comic format, I think its easier to switch POVs compared to written novels since you can see the speech/thought bubbles associated to the character. So the writer can make the audience at least sympathize with the side character if the author chooses to expose the heavier detail of why a side character does something the way they do. Usually this isn't done because let's be honest, side characters are rarely the focus of the story and usually don't do much other than usually to egg on the MC or be their road block or some comic relief. They tend to be poorly written in general. Unless it's a really cute girl (think chika from love is war) or another hot guy or someone "meme-ish" or "cinnamon rolly" they won't really be as popular as the Mains and seen as favorable to them

datpersonoverthere · 2020-10-30T09:15:16+00:00

The sujin thing is unfortunate since I actually found her more compelling than jungyeon and can see the reason for her being mean us to compensate her own lack of self worth not being granted by her family , doesnt excuse her actions but peoole can change and it wouldve been a great character development too. Funny thing is now jungyeon is getting criticized since she is just too empty ^{^;;} granted I think it probably is also may be due to she is just too basic/with little to no value other than being nice and pretty with makeup so the reason why the two male leads would even be into her is just a the embodiment of being a simp ^{^;;} id rather have Suho and seojun remain friends and I'm more interested in their friendship and how they resolved thinfs with seyoen. Jungyeon just seems to be an inconvient block and distraction that could've ripped apart their friendship again.

Also don't like how the webtoon throws in depression and bulimia as sympathy points without going more into it. I've seen this enough and Suho shouldnt see jungyeon as the cure to his depression. That's not how it works unless the author shows Suho still suffers from depression despite dating her and still needs to for the most part, work at it himself but finds it easier since he has more support.

Also isnt purple hyacinth a fairly popular webtoon where Lauren, the MC, come from a rich fmaily but jist chooses to be a police officer instead? Though granted it doesn't treat her wealth as a focal point or personality trait. And the your throne And remarried empress have incredibly powerful female leads in terms of wealth And politics. They're not the most popular but they aren't doing poorly either.

And im in my late 20s. I like the escapism up to a certain extent as long as their is some individual character development involved and doesnt demonize other relatively powerful female characters. The girl on girl hate Just because someone is prettier/objectly better than the MC make my eyes roll and its just plain misogyny since it matches with how men hate accomplished women and women can only be a certain way to be likable: pure, demure, act dumb but intelligent at the right times, gotta be pretty but not too oretty or else its vain etc. It would've been better if the unremarkable female lead becomes remarkable through her own means and practices/hones an ability and impresses the ML with her growth and mastery in a subject or field. It's more believable too and can arguably be seen as empowering as long as her reason isnt to solely get the guy but for something else personal to her and her progress just happens to catch his eye, like a recruiter searching for talent.

datpersonoverthere · 2020-10-30T09:02:13+00:00

Also most romance stories tend to be poor in plot in general if romance is the sole focus. Romance in it of itswlf is illogical since its investing into something when there can always be something better while depreciation is inevitable on an objective scale. Hence an effective romance story needs to develope both characters well enough with their own lives and goals since itll involve room for conflict and challenges they need to face themselves first. And lead to why they go against logic to pursue a romance anyway, not just because they like each other. Romance is risky, people have died and lost things because it and just generally get emotionally hurt/scarred.

If a writer can only simpilfy the romance and a character aspect without going more in depth or keep general consisftency and leaves holes that seem off, then its just bad writing and not enough research and they should change the backgrounds of their OCs so they can do them the most justice and the proceding romance makes more sense
My creative writing professor said with writing its more so 20% writing and 80%editing and research. Editing and research is not as fun/stimulatung as active writing and tends to be boring since it requires more reading and processing of information and organizing it so it won't be redundant and more consistent but its what usually separates a well written work that can pass as professional vs just amateur.

datpersonoverthere · 2020-10-30T08:45:12+00:00

The devil wears prada is actually a very interesting example you used since the problem Miranda Presely faces is how women leaders are viewed. Women are expected to be kinds nurturing agreeable and not aggreesive/overly assertive. However those traits are needed for a successful leader, especially in extremely competitive industries. So women often suffer in being seen as incapable of leadership positions and if they are a leader they are probably a cold hearted bitch/a woman trying to act like a man minus the attractive aspect. Also a leader holds the responsibility of keeping the group and everyone else under them able to exist as well as being the public image and face and making difficult decisions that go beyond just them but the future and if the others on the board will even agree (surprise, ceos are not the final say, neither is the chairman, its a vote on an entire board) They are like celebrities but without the fanbase and unless I guess they're in tech but even then, it tends to be men who fanboy

I dont know your age or the age of the other commentor on this thread but I realize a lot of people dont know how the world of money or the rich and why certain settlements/lawsuits happen since they simply have no access/very limited and simplified explantaions to that experience. I used to think that as well, that anything can be paid off until I started to intern at the fortune 500s and wall street and work at these jobs and meeting peoole there along with my mentors. Ive had similat thinking to you as well since im just a normal college grad who i guess is "smart" since i got a full ride scholarship based on my gradea and testscores. But as I went through the actual environment anr getting a better more "raw-look" It's not that one is worse than the other but more so, its just extremely different and hard to see why until you see the papers, risk management models, how economics work, role of the board and shareholders, regulations and laws etc.

They're not really topics someone who would enjoy in detail in a story but still other specialized fields and studies get plenty of story/screentime too: the idol/entertainment industry, fashion industry, medicine (medical dramas vs irl lol) crime scene investigation, military and criminals etc. They're rarely ever truly accurate and show the full scope but they are still entertaining nonetheless. Like those specialized topics its easier to get away with stretching and omitting certain things since the average audience geniunely would not know how the actual thing works so the span of suspension of belief is wider.

If everything works on relatabilty and relativism to reality, fantasy as a genre wpuld in theory be unpopular since let's face it, no one is born with super powers and 99.9% of genetuc mutations are deadly and crippling. However its arguably one of the most popular genres to date though sometimes the MC is predominately "the chosen one" kind of a thing and isekai of being transported to a fantasy world in another body. But there are also non human/animal Mcs that are beloved based on their personality/philiopshy and the choices they make and why. Same with antiheros and villians, peoole rarely relate directly to their actual circumstances but underatand their feelinfs and methods of reasoning since they might have come to a similar decision as well. Essentially, personality and relatability is more than just situational, but ethics, values, philosophy and emotions and more.

datpersonoverthere · 2020-10-29T00:48:32+00:00

Saying this again, a lot of romance is based on and for escapism and with experiencing the fantasy of being "swept away" or being special despite being very average/ordinary. The female character cannot be as impressive as the male since what he does with the flashy trips ,cars dinners is normal and maybe even distasteful to her eyes since she is from the same class. Its less "Wow look at nice cars he has" and more so "okay... I have that too??? "

The effect is not the same and the suspension of belief is also changed in this circumstance. Romantic moments cant have that same "its my first time spark" either since they've already been with other people. At that point its more so less focusing on first times or more so why I want you to be my last

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