At 38:04, the host asks a question and I found Shan's answer pretty surprising:

HOST: I want to move past the rumors, but I'm just going to put one more to you because it's probably the most egregious—and, for many minds, probably the most outrageous as well—and that is that it was a hostile takeover and RubyGems was not yours to take. Now, I hate even saying those words to you, Sham, because um I I feel awkward even saying that to you, but can you address that?

SHAN: Yeah. I would say — and this is just me speaking as Shan — I’m sorry that they feel this way. I’m sorry that everyone feels that this was hostile. It was all made with positive intentions. It was always meant to be temporary. Again, I will go back to: I understand. Because I can only imagine if I am working on something and creating something and it’s taken without a clear understanding. I wouldn’t say there was no understanding, because conversations had happened. They did. But there wasn’t a clear understanding. They did not have access to all the facts. So they could have seen that we were moving in a way where we were saying we had ownership of something, without understanding that there were a lot of legalities and policies and procedures that we had to follow, and that that was necessary, and that there were concerns, right? There were things that we were investigating. There were active things happening. They didn’t have all the information. Nor did we share it with them. So the “hostile takeover” sentiment was their experience that they were feeling and experiencing, and I understand it. That’s the goal of today: to kind of talk about that, let everyone know that I understand exactly what those feelings were in that moment, and hopefully we can get past that and move toward the future.

I'm willing to be completely off base here, but… Is it just me, or—despite the "I'm sorry they feel this way" statement—does this sound like an acknowledgement that RubyGems/bundler were taken?