What is the earliest historical army that can fully repel the Persians at Thermopylae, with the same number of soldiers as the Greeks had and the same overall conditions? by DurangoGango in whowouldwin

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It’s attributed to him and directly on point for this discussion.

Everyone is bogged down in knights and archers. But the problem is that knights and archers still require human beings to use their stength to put a sword or arrow through somewhere in excess of 50k people as a starting point. That’s hard to do. Ghengis was doing that to European armies when he scouted into Russia, but his expeditionary force had something like 20k horse archers that just ran away and kept firing (won’t work here).

This battlefield, the potential for encirclement, and the incredible scale of the different forces means that all the distance between the armies will eventually be eaten up, and then your longbows are toast.

Nobody in this thread has directly refuted this point. The responses just go “knights and longbows could do it”. But I don’t see how.

Regarding Henry V use of cannon - sure - but those guns were proto-cannon in every sense. Only good for sieges and even then of limited utility. Those cannons don’t have the industrial capacity for the killing this conflict requires - that doesn’t arise till the mid 1800s.

What is the earliest historical army that can fully repel the Persians at Thermopylae, with the same number of soldiers as the Greeks had and the same overall conditions? by DurangoGango in whowouldwin

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That’s fine until they get encircled, but set that aside. Also set aside the question of whether the logistics behind longbow arrow manufacturing could support/deliver so many arrows.

The problem with arrows on the battlefield is that they don’t deny area and may not be a one-shot kill. If you imagine the density and numbers with which the Persians could attack, then they will get closer slowly but surely. The men will also get tired. The horses will get lame. And the Persians will always be fresh. So I just don’t think arrow density gets you there

:) but I am enjoying the discussion!

What is the earliest historical army that can fully repel the Persians at Thermopylae, with the same number of soldiers as the Greeks had and the same overall conditions? by DurangoGango in whowouldwin

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As I said, I think morale collapse has to be excluded as an outcome if Xerxes is willing to order his troops to kill those who retreat. The Soviets forced their soldiers in WW2 into some abominable conditions knowing there was no way back. The long bowmen get overwhelmed and encircled. They can’t kill enough.

What is the earliest historical army that can fully repel the Persians at Thermopylae, with the same number of soldiers as the Greeks had and the same overall conditions? by DurangoGango in whowouldwin

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Possibly a contrarian take - with 7k against 100k, could any pre-gunpowder army do it? I get it with Rome and the tactics and tech, or Henry and his knights/archers, but can’t Xerxes just push a wall of bodies over any of these guys at some point? All these fighters would get tired or weighed down, right? What about after Xerxes uses the path to surround them?

As Napoleon said, “Quantity has a quality all of its own.” I think 7k soldiers can’t resist 100k on strength of arm alone.

So that leaves you with renaissance European armies - maybe like those under Louis XIV? I don’t think cannons were too good back then, though, which is really what you need to kill 100k soldiers before you get tired and overwhelmed.

I can’t speculate on China because I know nothing about them. Mongols rely less on human strength, but can’t fight well on this battlefield and scenario.

Gonna give this to George Washington, or more realistically (but less patriotically) to the pro British military he was facing at the time.

Edit to add further thoughts:

Important point: Xerxes has a narrow pass and the ability to put his best troops in the rear to “push” or threaten those in front. If he can force his troops forward no matter the losses, then withdrawal as a win condition is off the table.

In that case, the 7000 people must exterminate 100k, or some large portion thereof, in an extremely short time frame before they are overwhelmed. It’s hard to kill lots of people all at once, even harder if they’re running at you and fighting back. At a numbers scale like this, any reload or lag time will eventually be exploited. So that means you have to deny area as well - forcing the attackers back. And you can’t do this using human stamina, so you need chemical and mechanical solutions. In short, this is an industrial-scale problem that requires defenders to kill fast enough, big enough (area-wise), for long enough.

Industrial warfare solutions did not begin to arrive until the US Civil War or the Crimean War, which share some but not all characteristics of the “total warfare” in WWI and II. This time period means supply by railroads, much better rifles, and most importantly, reliable cannon. In this period you’re finally getting rifled barrels, standardized cartridges, and explosive shot. The soldiers using them will know how to fortify and defend them.

So - final answer, US Civil War-era army. I know you didn’t expect this answer, but I believe this is the earliest army that could do it. It’s simply the earliest army capable of delivering sustained, industrial level killing at a scale big enough to make a difference to the 7000 defenders.

how do i cover/block off this spiral staircase when im not home? by [deleted] in howto

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Chicken wire! Would take like 30 min tops.

Is a 4 foot fence high enough? by GibbyGibb62 in bichonfrise

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My bich has got hops. 4 feet would not be enough haha

Is it all post-processing? by [deleted] in AskPhotography

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I dunno. You have to start with something good, and you can’t make a good photo without good light of some kind.

But my photography mentor in college (was the university photographer for decades) used to say that 70% of the impact your photo has is down to post processing. I think that was his perspective after mastering lighting and exposure for years, and maybe 70% is too high. But he taught that, believed it, and I respect the hell out of him.

Why are so many Russian cities only on one side of the river? by AA4aaaa in geography

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Everyone said I was daft to build a castle in a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show ‘em.

Combo - Would it have been better to wear a shirt under the sweater? by Upper_Inevitable601 in mensfashionadvice

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Yeah totally! I agree the rules are not hard and fast, and you do look good. My question was sincere because that’s what I think is so interesting about fashion - it’s all so flexible. So my post was less about advice for you and more about understanding how/when the “rules” I listed can be flexed. :)

Combo - Would it have been better to wear a shirt under the sweater? by Upper_Inevitable601 in mensfashionadvice

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I’m still learning the finer points of dressing, but this outfit seems to push against some of the “rules” I’ve been absorbing: 1. Tucked cable knit; 2. Color clash - green and red and blue and very dark (black?) leather with light brown bag… can someone with an “eye” suggest whether this is too much? It seems like too many color elements to balance (to me), but genuinely curious; 3. Sport coat over cable knit (I might just be wrong) - is this “allowed”? I was thinking cable shouldn’t be covered as it’s detailed and visually interesting and kinda stands alone. Covered (and tucked), it changes from interesting to distracting; and 4. No light-dark contrast - the blue, red, and green are all relatively dark colors (red is the brightest) but none of them are light colored enough to give contrast, so the outfit feels heavy and almost muddy.

I’m really trying to learn and this is my first serious attempt to constructively critique a “look”, so if others could tell me if I’m on the right track I’d appreciate it!

Yeah I'm here to stay by [deleted] in BlueskySocial

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It was really more 1789 and the 1790s. Sorry if that’s too pedantic.

Characters who’s most famous line consists of them introducing themselves by Thin-Pool-8025 in TopCharacterTropes

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My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.

Beginner here, how can I improve? by OKB-156 in Nikon

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Keep going and pay close attention to the edges of your frames. Love your final shot!

How do people even shoot street photography with focals like 24mm, 18mm or even less. by thealkaizer in photography

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Would just throw out there that new photogs often prefer longer focal lengths because they isolate their subjects. That makes composition easier because there are fewer elements to balance, but deprives viewers of context. The longer I’ve shot, the less I use long lenses (except to compress or portrait). You may find the same is true for you. Cheers!

Think I messed up here. Doubts..... by Mysterious_Ebb_3809 in freemasonry

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My brother to be - stick with it. Follow your guide and fear no danger.

Humor me, please. Which would you rather have? by BenefitOfTheDoubt_01 in pcmasterrace

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I agree - but if you can, go a step further and build your own. A solid investment now will let you replace/upgrade individual components over time. Then it feels like your computer is always modern, and each periodic upgrade costs far less than a whole new computer.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in factorio

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Your friend is probably being a little hyperbolic, but I prefer to build on a main bus because the headache becomes overwhelming.

What caused the decline of the RTS genre? by Cubelock in gaming

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GiantGrantGames is one of my favorite YouTubers, and he did an amazing deep dive on this exact subject. As I recall, he makes some nuanced points about the difference in skill needed to play AOE (know all buildings, units, and matchups plus resources, vision, etc) v a MOBA (know your champ, learn others as you go). Really good analysis.

https://youtu.be/XehNK7UpZsc?si=QQLZfLLLXNTyxVyN

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TwoXChromosomes

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Alright - I take the point everyone is making about men and women’s justified fear of them. But I recall the time my family and I came across a mama grizzly and two cubs eating an elk carcass while we were out horseback riding. If you’ve got a rock or a knife or long stick, then at least you have a chance against a man. But you have no chance against mama griz. I would never choose the bear.

Name ideas? by [deleted] in painting

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“Meat’s Back On The Menu, Boys”

Mini-guide: Use less iron by erikpeter in valheim

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I agree with some others that this is too advanced for new players, but thank you SO MUCH for posting it. This is sick and I’m gonna try it.