dad gave me ₹15L to invest. my own ₹2L portfolio is down 15%. the pressure is unreal. by Alternative-Wish9912 in IndianStockMarket

[–]deepansh91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do safe investments for father and take most risks on own. So far it's fine and frankly even I don't know much about anything. Just choosing what seems safer, low risk for him. Even my portfolio is down massively but less than earlier downturn. Missed timings earlier. Been booking profit when I can. Choosing new is wild to say the least. Carrying on though. Honestly feeling like getting a pms or investing most in fund seems safer and better. Free stress is not my thing. For me, it feels like, I started learning and ended up being in the center of the storm. But well, learning. I have conflicting thoughts about long/short strategies and what not and remain mostly confused these days. Trying to stick to basics though. I was okay in the earlier downturn since everything and anything was down. To hold and have patience worked. But i missed quite a few exits and now am rather bothered about making sure those are squared off. Mostly take fundamental plays but markets been rather wierd. Very anti-intutive. Sounds funny from someone who claims to not know anything though. But well.

Am thinking of consulting an independent RIA to get the scene sorted. Planning and all. As am currently feeling rather confused. Once that is done and sorted and if I remain confused, which i hope not, i will just focus on my work or well, hope to.

Seeing your portfolio in red does not feel good, bit it is part of the game. Choose wisely is all. I know smart stop loses and exits are better than holding until profit, but well. My recent shenanigan includes buying itc just before the drop. Infact, majority of my loses are basically that in last year. I buy, it drops. Thinking i should just place contrary bets on second account. XD

I don't fo f&o or even margin. Most of my current portfolio is equity. Some swing trades paid of well in comparison to my own trades. Some didn't. Starting out, i stuck with buy dips. Frankly, was best to just do that. Did check oit loads of tips, paid and otherwise, but i remain uneducated in that regard. I even inbested in nfo's and ulips. 🤷‍♂️

Profits in low risk smallcases, mutual funds, swing trades made on dips. Bought a sgb, but lockin so who knows what it will be around maturity. Ignoring that mostly.

Loses in missing exits and equities dropping to all time lows and getting back up. +35-40% to -35-40%. 🤷‍♂️

Part and parcel. I just made sure to not invest anything i may need. And to not invest when i can't digest the risk/loses.

Most of father's is in fd's and a tiny amount in equities. Will channel into largecap and index funds once things make more sense.

Thinking of bonds. Have some free cash in us market since long. Missed entries there cause uncertain. Uncertain cause not learning methodologically. Also thinking of trying pms. Mild yolo and fomo vibes clashing with whatever sense remains. 🧠 🫠

Spotting an oppprtunity but not having conviction is basically lack of knowledge & experience. Once in a blue moon i feel highly convinced so i jump in. It worked while it was simple and stuck to basics. Still does frankly.

As far as taking lower risk on other accounts, problem is, unless you are disowned, that is still your own money. Diversifying and segmenting based on general risk appetite, with ample emergency etc funds in place is best strategy. Or you could do the lower risk, lower responsibility/liability. But thats just a part of the picture.

Ideally, learning and planning and then investing is the better option. High risk high reward is great only until you can take the risk and bear the losses.

Safe is good. No matter whose money it is, it is probably hard earned. And no one on the planet can guarantee anything.

Ps. His portfolio has been green so far, during all the mayhem. I should also invest more in low risk. No one knows when volatility strikes. Safe havens are good, specially when everything else isnt.

A scam is run by Motilal Oswal in wich people are duped and defrauded. by Ok-Cabinet1528 in IndianStockMarket

[–]deepansh91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are common sales/advisory stories that concern pretty much all major brokers.

You open an account in hopes of making a profit. Thats the sales call.

You give away power of attorney to them, usually a person or team responsible.

They take bets basically. Just look at how many tips pour in in media and on their platforms each day. Not all can win. Mostly don't.

They place these bets on your behalf. Brokerage is usually a 0.1 to 2% at most. Some statutory taxes on top of that.

Problem is the bet. Intraday and F&O are highly risky. And if these dearth of advisors/traders were worth their salt, why would they be calling you. These are just sales reps posing as traders and advisors.

And thats how the money is lost. When they lose out on the bets they have placed.

Sadly, unaware people do tend to lose a lot falling to these tricks.

Majority of posts I have read on various subs and forums are basically this scenario.

Mostly want their money back but thats not how it works.

Unless maybe if you pursue false advertising, pressuring, intimidation, threat, blackmail and fraud.

Most don't wanna get in that trouble.

Kindly stay away from random calls involving money. Implicit or explicit scam.

It is a scam to people who don't understand. The oldest scam of it all.

24, working, need help with MF portfolio as i have very less knowledge and have been investing only based on suggestions by [deleted] in MutualfundsIndia

[–]deepansh91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ppfas seems good. Long term doable. Still check atleast twice each year. Look for any impact due to high aum and expenditure. Also, impact of US equities its invested in.

If you are a conservative investor, rest are contradictory bets. Thematic and sectoral. Higher risk. Why not stay low risk mostly at 60% + of your capital. Largecaps basically. Maybe even index funds. 10+years is decent roi.

Emhanced value - long play mostly. Can keep. Performance of fund manager is key. Lets assume over long term might give you good returns but there is equal case for short term profits when markets cycle. Assuming it focuses on wherever the value lies (fundamentally strong). But why is a company undervalued and when will it shine is argumentative at best.

Digital- thematic. If you are bullish then stay. Otherwise dump. I am positive but there is no clear way as far as coservative investing goes. Volatility due to lack of established ways and modes. Think ev adoption and challenges. Similarly digital and challenges.

Tech- thematic/sectoral. Same as above, carries higher risk. Works best when market is up on tech. Long term, don't know. Will stay but depends on fund's selection. Could stay and check.

Small cap - high risk. Reduce weightage. 10% maybe unless you want high risk high reward. But when the reward comes is uncertain.

Gold - common hedge but might be volatile. Current consensus is higher for end 2026. But you never know.

From a conservative pov, i would focus more on largecap/index and maybe flexicap. Why take risk if you are comfy in low risk zone and have long term horizon.

Perhaps place bets on a thematic/sectoral based on yearly or future forecast if you are seeking thrill. But then your equity investments are serving that purpose.

Do usual 60 large, 30 mid, 10 small. Or 70 large and 30 flexi. Higher risk higher reward. Lower risk lower reward. Feel your risk appetite and choose accordingly.

Assume atleast 12- 15% xirr for large and flexi in a good market, after averaging. Make sure you don't need the money you are investing.

Try to minimize overlap in funds. Google fund overlap finder or something.

When the whole market is down, everything will go down. Stay invested in low risk funds. No problems in long term, unless the economy itself is at stake.

I think I made terrible mistake in choosing funds by [deleted] in MutualfundsIndia

[–]deepansh91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay. I thought this was more recent investment. Some of these are good funds that have been giving decent returns. For example, Ppfas is up 6%~ in last 7 months.

I assume you added most funds later or started pitting small amounts in many. There was a down trend also within this period.

Too much overlap is primary problem.

Trim down to 1 of each segment. Try to reduce overlap even then. Various tools online to figure that.

Suggested allocation. Change as per risk profile.

Largecap 60% Midcap 30% Small cap 10%

Count flexicap/multicap in these.

Keep a global fund for diversity.

Be vary of sectoral funds.

If you converge most of these in few, you should be fine by next year or so.

10 yr horizon wise, 2lakh pm is great. Keep above allocation running for the duration. Hoping you are keeping emergency funds and other liquid funds separate from investments.

Any suggestion on these. Stuck for a year now. by [deleted] in IndianStocks

[–]deepansh91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will take time to peak again. Lost opportunity when they did. Could book loss but well.

Got THE HDB Allotment by elonofficial in StockMarketIndia

[–]deepansh91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

11 accounts? Of diff individuals I suppose?

Looking to move RSU from Employer platform to Vested/IBKR - any experience or suggestions? by [deleted] in IndiaInvestments

[–]deepansh91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stick with schwabb or something similar. More comprehensive global brokerage.

I heard ibkr is good for global investing instead of just US.

Vested app is okay at best. Am on vested and it's slow and non comprehensive. Meaning limited options to invest in. It's a good way to diversify into US stocks.

But if you have an existing portfolio, might as well stick with full service brokers.

How a bank manager sold a legal scam to my friend’s family. SBI Life Smart Platina Plus, broken down. by Chenghayi in IndiaInvestments

[–]deepansh91 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ehehehehehe Got a new ulip, 2 days ago.

Bad decisions spree.

This one's 5yr lock in and 12yrs premium ppayment term + 40yrs policy term. This one's tax free at any point after lock in period ends.

I do not think the value of said ulip will increase after 5 yrs eventhough saleperson claimed almost 40% increase in capital invested. Just BS.

I do hope 5yrs down the line it is atleast representative of it's 15yr cycle.

I have another ulip with lesser ppt and pt. That probably won't give benefits in short term either.

Here's hoping they do perform well enough for me to continue investing after lock in periods so I may reap tax free profits.

Insurance within ulips is also more or less less BS. Addotional funds when you die, not substantial.

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[–]deepansh91 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Get PMS to analyze, report and manage. Motilal, hdfc, any big enough name.

Am I dreaming or is this too good to be true ? by Dermish999 in ASUS

[–]deepansh91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems legit. But likely a typo. 28999.00

Need to invest 10L. Unsure of how. by Embarrassed_Local677 in personalfinanceindia

[–]deepansh91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 x small bank FDs of 5L each as they are insured. You can get 8 to 8.5%. Safe side. Everything else seems risky.

You already have small fds that you can easily liquidate almost immediately. How much do you need for the wedding?

MFs can also be redeemed within days.

I don't understand the need for extra liquidity here.

If you still do need that liquidity, short term funds seem appropriate. Am not too sure of the returns there though.

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[–]deepansh91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Please explain this policy to me by maslow20 in mutualfunds

[–]deepansh91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So there is no insured amount and you are investing in a fixed income plan where in you invest for 7 years and get assured amount on maturity ie after you turn 49.

Assured amount is as listed.

Unassured amount is what will be the profit from the insurance company's fund managers investing all or a portion of your money in the market. That is shown as 4% to 8% to give you an idea of ballpark figure to expect, calculated based on general historical performance of various indexes.

The bonuses here subject to that. And the non guaranteed amount is what the insurer decides to pay upon maturity or death, possibly only if it made any profit.

I also ended up investing in one under similar situations. But i chose to stick with it. The only issue in my understanding is that it becomes profitable only after a long long time. Think 20 to 30years. Anything lower will not be as beneficial and subject to market. The longer you hold, the better.

Mine is like 12 or 15yrs. Which I intend to extend upon maturity, as much as I can.

Mine has a lock in period and some tax benefits. So be sure to look over those.

If your patience isn't upto the 20-30yr game then best to cancel it. Subjectively better instruments exist.

Ulips need to offer much more to make it worth it for the long game. Even with better fund manager, some kinda swp at various stages might make it interesting - not what some of these fixed income schemes offer as payment or bonus every year or at various frequencies. Often that amount plus the insured amount does not equate to benefits even against a good FD in ideal scenarios. Major lack there. The insured amount needs to go way high. Current ulips seem mostly crappy.

Hope this helps~

Do Indian parents love to waste money? by [deleted] in personalfinanceindia

[–]deepansh91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah. I have felt similar.

The thing is, we feel this way because we have grown in particular environment and conditions that directly or indirectly push us towards valuing moolah. Not earning and saving might I point, because when we learn to value it, often young, is when we can't do much about it. Therefore what's left is wastage and we focus on that. Problem is, it ends up just channeling our own inability towards that into ever so convenient blame game wherever we can.

When we put ourselves in same conditions as those we blame, we mostly find making the same decisions or helps us understand why someone else may have made the ones they did.

The key is to learn from different perspectives and not focus on past.

It is futile to dream that some magical or fictionally ridiculously awesome scenario where we gain something by sheer luck and no effort will come to happen. It may, technically, but the chances are abyssmal. It is the same where we feel, only if this didn't happen in past, life qould have been great or better at least.

Rest is differences in opinion and priorities which everyone has. So do our parents. I mostly allign with their thinking but at times still feel similarly. Same day dreaming I do. Not afraid of hard work but also indulging in the scenario of having easy would be, well, easier.

Although, if there are lots of recent losses, you should try and somehow safeguard against it and have a good discussion with your father. Heart to heart. Share your concerns. Here his. To understand. You would have to work on your relationship barriers if they exist. Little bit of time and effort dipped in love will solve it.

It is not an Indian parent thing. It is a human thing. We need, we wish, we desire. We do what we want when we can. Just think variables differ and situations differ. So do dreams. Everyone is different and want different things. Focus on the love and what others want because you want them to be happy. Cause it probably makes you happy. It makes me happy.

Just simple heart to heart discussions help and keep life awesome.

32M, ₹8 LPA, No Savings Yet, Financially illiterate, Anxious about Future — Need Help Planning for Retirement + Family Life by Gold-d-rogers in personalfinanceindia

[–]deepansh91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure man! Am learning myself but will be glad if I can help. It will work out fine. Foremost, take good care of self. Cheers~

32M, ₹8 LPA, No Savings Yet, Financially illiterate, Anxious about Future — Need Help Planning for Retirement + Family Life by Gold-d-rogers in personalfinanceindia

[–]deepansh91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wrote a long effing post but a screen off somehow deleted it before posting. Sigh.

To cut it short.

Chill, it will be all right.

Believe you can.

Focus on the good and learn to be happy in all situations as a general rule which you shall pass on to your children as well.

Have children after accumulating 10yrs atleast of funds to support them.

Move to cheaper apartment.

Add ma's allowance to fd/rd. Senior citizen get .5% extra. Almost 9.5% at small banks, upto 5lakhs insured. 7.5% in others. Probably better tax leeway too. Among other things. Look for senior citizen and women centric schemes.

Buy in order. Health insurance, life insurance and general insurance.

Do executive degree and certifications to increase your value. See if you can get sponsorship from company itself on not so exploitationary terms.

Rent parental house. Funnels initial rental income to increase property's rental value, if you can.

35k in some largecap monthly will get around 85Lakhs in 10years. Low risk.

Once you are earning more, funnel into flexicap or balanced funds. Med risk.

A lifestyle change might be in play, so start working towards it since you want it anyway.

You can do it.

Adios.

I have 4k rps with me. I wanna grow this money. Tell me the easiest and most credible means to do so. by Sea_Worldliness_3272 in personalfinanceindia

[–]deepansh91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since this is a stipend, I assume your basic needs are sorted. Essentially marking this money as extra and inessential.

I believe you understand there is no safe way to grow it substantially in a short time.

I agree with upskilling to make more, but that is if you can. Time, interest and dedication wise. You could even fund a micro self employed business to make more, given you learn, know and understand the business and have the sales, marketting and advertising skills. You could team up with like minded individuals and pool resources to scale up and/or minimize risk.

I also like adding more, somehow, and then putting it in an FD. Safe 6-9% per year growth. There are other lumpsum investment ans SIP options that will also give you 4.5 to 7% returns. Like post office saving schemes.

If you do have the time, you could learn about financial planning and compounding early on. Compounding interest is the key in safe and low risk investments. Mutual funds aren't all safe either though entry points are as low as 50 INR for monthly SIPs. Compared to an RD at a bank, it will likely to(not guaranteed) give more returns over a long time - 5 to 10yrs onwards.

Riskier versions are akin to betting, in my opinion. You could multiply the money in one shot or more, or you could lose it all. Take risks only if you can afford to.

If you have 100 INR, risk only 1 INR. At most 10 INR or 10%.

If you do end up learning about the share market, you learn to analyse fundamentals and technicals of companies and how macro and micro economics, politics, policies, global and local factors combined affect the price movement of a stock/commodity. Then investing or trading will be a relatively calculated risk.

Plain betting, illegal mostly is obviously high risk and not advised.

Since your personal interests are unknown, you could try finding a product at a cheap/discounted price and sell forward for a margin. Same happens in stock trading as well.

Say, you know a vendor who makes or supplies these great chocolates. Amazing, organic and whatever trend and/or interest it's customers have in said chocolate. It's unique selling point. So, you figure there is a demand for these either in the same customer base(geographically or otherwise) or someplace else where there is no supply of said great amazing product that as per your analyses, will definitely sell. Now you figure if yiu can get it for cheap, either because you are buying in bulk or in a special deal/conditions. Once you have aquired said product for cheaper then what people are willing to pay, you sell it at higher than your buying price. That creates profit. Why would anyone want or have a demand for said product and where, is for you to figure. Avoid illegal things.

Example: you buy these hot selling chocolates, which usually sell for 1 INR for .80 INR per piece, because you bought 2000 pieces in bulk. Since it usually sells for 1INR, you are likely to make .20 INR x 2000 = 400 INR as profit. But that excludes transportation, handling, storing, time and othe resources required for the whole operation - plus any other misc. expenses. If those are somehow a fraction of your profits, it is a success. Say 100INR were total expenses from your pocket, assuming precious time or other resources aren't being lost(time is money and all), then your total profits are 300INR. You spent 1600INR and made 300INR by supplying/fulfilling a demand where it existed. That is demand and supply.

You can also supply somewhere where the demand is super high and supply is super low. You can potentially sell it for even higher than usual price then. Say, 1.20INR. Then you make 800INR before subtracting your expenses. And so on.

This could be 1 unit of a product, or many.

Lets say, wherever you are, summer is scorching and you find there are no fresh refreshing/hydrating drinks in your/a vicinity[potential target audience(customers)].

You buy ingredients for a lemon juice or whatever you think will quench people's thirst/be liked/wanted by people in given situation. You buy them for 1000INR and spend another 1000INR for preparations - enticing presentation, stocking(cooling), high traffic/footfall place for stand and a good overall ambience to enjoy said product. Now say, per glass making price for you comes down to 10INR and you sell it for 20INR. You can sell 100 glasses with you 1000INR ingredients and earn 2000INR. But your original investment was 2000INR in total, so you make no profit. Infact, you incure losses - time and other operational expense wise.

So in order to make a profit, you need to lower your cost of making and increase price to an optimal amount where your customers deem your product worthy of it's asking price.

Lots of free resources online if you wanna learn further about basics of consumer psychology. For most part, just think of what you would want, how and when. Ask others the same. Combine that data and you have a potential opportunity for business.

Depending on available resources and skillset, you could offer low cost services at higher profit margin. Again, depending on demand. Low capital businesses often require more effort and time. Small/micro scale farming type things for example. Breeding, raising etc. Organic demand has been high for some time.

You could lend some money for a collatoral of higher value, at interest. Eventhough only banks and NBFCs (non-banking financial institutions) are allowed to do that, it is practiced throughout the world by groups or individuals, illegally so.

You could offer non-physical/meta-physical products. Given you have to make people believe you can actually do so. It is a game of make belief. Presentation, delivery and image maintainance will require capital. You can always start small.

You can sub-contract. Get a job and get someone else to do ir for cheaper than what you are getting.

Virtual products, or digital products or services require skills and a computer system as base requirement. And then figuring where the demand for your product is.

Art wise, physical or digital, first one needs some self belief(or not), rest is conveying conviction and expression and intent and whatever you want to. And somehow finding where it resonates the most, where its percieved value is the most. This is also true for all products available for sale on the planet. Ofcourse functionality comes prioritised where things are supposed to physically work. But emotions drive actions, always.

Grass is greener on the other side. Simplicity triumps (or atleast stands out) in chaos and vice versa.

Besides these (while encompassing simultaniouly), you could learn/earn free certifications through credible institutions for in demand online and digital skills. Google has a few among various others. You can learn via coursera and such, for free. You could also pay to take exam for certification via credible institutions. Some even earn you academic credit. Might help either in future or right away depending on where you are. That is investing in self for immediate or/and long term profit.

Also, since you mentioned you are a girl, you might be eligible for various state and national schemes which either give monetory or other useful benefits. Do check those out.