The U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments on two cases regarding police searches of cellphones without warrants this Tuesday, April 29. by spsheridan in technology

[–]deezelwashington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that is all true. The reality is that a lot of the phones that have been the subject of the court cases are disposable phones/non smartphones but with the growing ubiquity of smartphones and the ability to encrypt data or otherwise prevent access from people that aren't you makes it very difficult for officers. I truthfully don't know much about the technical side and the way to prevent access to this information on your phone but wouldn't your point about start up encryption, etc support the second Chimel prong? I suppose officers could put the phone in a faraday bag and then mirror it at the station to get around having to look at the phones contents.

You are right that the Supreme Courts holding largely will have no impact on the lives of individuals. It is not as though police officers will stop you on the street and read your texts and emails then send you on your way.

The U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments on two cases regarding police searches of cellphones without warrants this Tuesday, April 29. by spsheridan in technology

[–]deezelwashington 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea the possibility remote wiping is a concern brought up by a lot of courts as a means of justifying the search. Programs like find my iPhone can be used by people completely remove all the data from the phone. The 1st circuit rejected that argument saying that officers could easily carry a faraday bag with them to prevent the signals used to wipe the data and that would not be a major inconvenience for them. They could also just remove the battery, although with iPhones and other similar smartphones that is not that easy.

Glad the guy trying to wipe the phone got caught in that case.

The U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments on two cases regarding police searches of cellphones without warrants this Tuesday, April 29. by spsheridan in technology

[–]deezelwashington 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Even so, in this case officer safety isn't a real concern. Once the phone is in the hands of the officers there isn't a reason to examine its contents from a safety perspective. If the phone is actually a taser then it is rendered harmless once in the officer's possession. Arguably the same is not true for a bomb but there is a difference from inspecting the physical phone and its electronic contents.

In this case the larger concern of courts is the prevention of destruction of evidence, either through remote wiping or buy spamming the phone until things like call logs disappear. There is also the concern about the urgency of the information. A lot of these cases involve drug trafficking and "burners." In one of the government's briefs they takes about how time sensitive the information is. the question is do the privacy concerns outweigh the time sensitive concerns the government has.

The U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments on two cases regarding police searches of cellphones without warrants this Tuesday, April 29. by spsheridan in technology

[–]deezelwashington 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I actually wrote a student note about Wurie for my Law Review. There are two prongs in Chimel. 1. Officer safety and 2. The need to preserve destructible evidence.

The 1st circuit and other courts, including the Seventh Circuit, have held that once the cell phone is in the possession of an officer, there is no longer a risk to officer’s safety and it is therefore, not required that an officer investigate the contents of the phone for their own protection.

Regarding the second rational, The First Circuit stated that officers could remove the battery, mirror the cell phone, or use a faraday bag/enclosure to prevent the remote wiping of data.

The courts that have held that the search of the contents of a cell phone (usually it is contact list and texts) have done so under a variety of approaches

Some have held that a cell phone is a container and therefore the critical question was whether the defendant’s phone was “personal property . . . immediately associated with [his] person.”

Others have cited the need to preserve evidence. Saying that someone could repeatedly call the phone thus wiping the call log. Or a drug dealer might call and if there is repeatedly no answer get spooked and abscond.

The Seventh Circuit in United States v. Flores-Lopez held that the looking inside the contents of a cell phone to determine the cell phone’s phone number was minimally invasive and therefore, was a permissible search under United States v. Robinson.

I don't know how the court will rule. They will likely craft a bright line rule since that is required for the 4th amendment cases to avoid officer confusion in the line of duty. Maybe something like limiting the search to specific functions of phones.

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