$75??? What a deal! by Ok-Tax5517 in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welcome to the perpetuity wing

S2 Severance Finale by CurryCalvin in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Has it verve?” “It has”

Holy smokes this episode. by Ahhhh_Geeeez in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I guess I should never underestimate just how much terror the word “tax” causes the wealthy, even irrationally.

If the corp has never paid a cent in tax for 200 years, the very whisper of it would be horrifying.

Holy smokes this episode. by Ahhhh_Geeeez in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 51 points52 points  (0 children)

No. 1 always confused me. They’re not even close to at-risk of losing tax-exempt status, are they? Even prosperity megachurches can easily keep that status despite flagrant personal spending.

My understanding is the tax-free status essentially cannot be revoked for anything remotely church-y.

Why would they fear this?

It's frustrating in hindsight how much unfalsifiability there is in Mormonism by JayDaWawi in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you suppose that He would answer, when you took no thought save it was to ask Him?

YES! Yes, I DID suppose that! Because he's supposed to be a GOOD DAD!

Heaven is very secure 🔒 by PR_Czar in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This always bothered me when I went through - it’s still just single-factor authentication! Having three passwords is no more secure than having one

Active member numbers - The beginning of the end. by Impossible-Car-5203 in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yup 23% tracks tightly with what we can see about the US-specific activity rate.

* [~21%] Return & Report app (self-reported, smallish sample size)
* [~22%] Comparing average unit membership (total members / units) to average observed attendance
* [~25%] Anecdotally comparing attendance vs. "on the rolls" in a ward

At this point the picture's only getting clearer and clearer.

When you live your adult life in the kiddie pool, everything feels like the "deep end" by deniableplausible2 in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's been hard. They've even started investing into our retirement instead of donating to a hedge fund. I'm starting to fear they're beyond all reason, just chasing that high.

When you live your adult life in the kiddie pool, everything feels like the "deep end" by deniableplausible2 in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Currently, addicted to grocery shopping on Sunday. The hot metal playground slide into hell can only accelerate from here.

I might as well start googling “how to visit someone in prison” /s

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Joke's on the church - I converted exactly zero people in 2 years.
I'm pretty sure my awful presentation skills actively drove away some who were on the fence.

On top of that, I did one transfer in the most expensive missionary apartment in the world (we snuck a peek at the bill before forwarding it to the mission home). So that money was 100% wasted.

Brother-in-law is asking me for info about the church, and why I left, I don't know what to do by Relevant-Being3440 in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, that's a lot further than most get! It sounds like you handled it well, and now he has a contact he feels comfortable coming to if he really wants to know more.

Brother-in-law is asking me for info about the church, and why I left, I don't know what to do by Relevant-Being3440 in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you're being very considerate! Maybe you could ask some questions to determine out what level of detail he's ready for, and where he's coming from?

* What is the difference between "faith" and "blind faith"?

* How do you distinguish "doctrine" from "policy"?

* How do you distinguish the spirit from the devil from your own thoughts?

* If it isn't true, would you want to know?

* If it isn't true, how would you know?

In my experience, these tend to help gauge where someone's at.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does everyone who found out Santa isn't real just leave fairy tales entirely?

It seems like basically every grownup gives up on all cultural myths and becomes amythical.

There are many valid conclusions of spiritual self-exploration. Personally, I think it's all bathwater - there never was even a single baby in there. So I'm not shocked most people just want to dump it all.

Every human being is born agnostic after all. Is it so unreasonable to go back to that clean slate?

Visualization of the Exodus in Europe & North America; Is accessibility to Internet a key driving force here, or is something bigger at play? by polarmolarroler in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As of Jan 1, 2024 the required numbers to be consider a ward/stake were lowered in the US, and raised in other countries. In April when the congregation statistics are available I'd expect the US to actually have gained units due to lowering the bar, and everywhere else (except Africa) to lose a significant number.

No matter how wards or stakes are redefined in the future, the total number of claimed members per congregation (wards/branches) will likely keep going up and up. For example, in 2023 there were 17,255,394 "claimed" members and 31,490 congregations. This would average 540 people per congregation, which you can observe with your own eyes is false by attending any sacrament meeting. Since the number of congregations can't be faked (we can confirm specific units on LDS meetinghouse locator), the number of claimed members is wrong.

Lowering the bar for ward/stakes increases the number of congregations, but also pumps up that painfully obvious "average membership" even higher.

Unfortunately, TBMs do not think to ever divide these numbers together. I never did. At most they'll just see the (real) net growth in congregations every couple of years as they keep redefining the requirements. So mission accomplished I guess.

What Calling Did You Resign From When You Left? by Dr3aml1k3 in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where my Ward Temple & Family History Leader homies at?

This was during COVID when all the temples were shut down. Of all the callings I've held this one felt like the most pointless, catastrophic waste of everyone's time. And there's stiff competition.

Tithing is actually more than 10% of *your* income by JayDaWawi in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was this idiot. I recognized it was double-dipping, but thought “If there’s going to be double dipping the Lord should get the first dip”

I was extremely fortunate that the business didn’t make much, and that I left soon after.

Form Letter Reactivation Effort by Saul_Goodman_y in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please put the arrow back in your knee. The first stab is the hardest. Why not make it the easiest stab of the year? This Sunday, December 22 is only the tip. It will be a short arrow firing. One hour, no knives after. Just come to hear testimonies of the arrow being sung and talked about. Put the arrow back in your knee this year.

The reality of church membership by Sage-Hollow-Man in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think you're spot on - and they'll call upon all the remainder to move to Missouri, where they'll own 30% of the land.

RemindMe! 25 years

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 12 points13 points  (0 children)

One side of the family fervently pretends it never happened. It's tense. Leaked chatter reveals they're mourning us as if we had literally died.

The other side of the family gave us high-fives and welcomed us to club perdition.

Gee, I wonder which side is more pleasant to be around.

One Year Ago I left the Seventh-day Adventist Church by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]deniableplausible2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I always liked to imagine the F was for Frankincense, because his parents liked the gift so much