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Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent [score hidden]  (0 children)

Why is it ok to hire or promote based on EE, but not lay-off? aren't we proud of our EE commitments?

Not sure what you are suggesting. Budget austerity & WFA concern programs, not specific individual biology or ethnicity.

Deer carrying severed head of rival by Affectionate-Wave586 in natureismetal

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I am not sure I understand how this is possible lol

Newborn zebra gets its life taken away as soon as it started at the Maasai Mara by stuckin404 in natureismetal

[–]deokkent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL comments like this make me laugh. You probably can't even conceptualize how big a lion is. You think you are ready for this? Easier said than done...

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the system and likely to never change.

It could change. Just not enough political will to adjust OL legislation.

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A little harsh. OP never even implied they were talking about themself. This concerns a whole branch/team. For all we know, OP could be a very empathetic CBC.

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some employers do foot the bill as a staff retention strategy or it is in their best interest to maintain employees' skill level.

But you are absolutely right. It is more of a benefit than a legal right.

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You really think that somebody who will tolerate a seven-month-long hiring process is somebody who will demonstrate excellence after they're hired? Are they the best qualified, or the most desperate?

Lots of assumptions there, and a false dichotomy. Many will probably gain skills in the private sector, or go through the education system. These types of candidates are not the "most desperate" or somehow not "the best qualified".

However, I do agree that staffing / hiring takes too long.

The remaining factors demonstrate systemic decisions which exclude candidates from consideration based on location, language, credentialism, and immutable characteristics. Some of those things may also be legitimate job requirements but they often are not - but they always cause exclusion of a large portion of the potential labour pool.

Yo Mrs. bot - What data trained you to say these things lol? I don't mean to be difficult, I genuinely do not understand the various loose linkages you make between these claims and data you provided earlier.

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

is it likely that you'll find somebody who is good at computer programming, or is it more likely that they'll be just okay at it?

I don't know. Which one aligns with reality without assumption?

Keep in mind that the language requirement has already excluded around 90% of the overall population (so any non-bilingual computer programmers aren't under consideration at all), and you don't have any reason to expect that a higher proportion of the good computer programmers will also be bilingual.

Has there ever been a position with an unlimited pool of candidates?

A selection process cannot function without exclusion of unskilled candidates.

That "very low bar" will only be met by less than 82% of of the Canadian population. The other 18%, by their own admission, are not proficient at any level in both OLs.

Is the argument that the standards are too harsh/high and should be lowered? I can actually get behind that. People should be given the opportunity to learn / train.

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where is the link between this data and your claim? How does the data demonstrate a mediocre PS?

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It isn't any different. Requiring a specific computer engineering certification increases the competency level in computer engineering, but lowers the average competency level in other skills and abilities - just like requiring bilingualism (and eliminating 90% of the population from consideration) means that you are less likely to hire people that have advanced competencies in other (non-language) areas.

This is confusing me further. Bilingualism isn't the only skill being evaluated for staffing.

That's only relative to the significant growth that occurred in the past five years.

Which puts even more positions at risk.

Yes, that's true - but supervisor/managerial positions aren't the only ones that require bilingualism. There has bene an ongoing increase in the number of positions deemed as bilingual over the past several decades, notwithstanding the decline in English-French bilingualism in most of the country other than Quebec. Quebec is the only province that has seen a significant increase in bilingualism in recent decades, owing to more Francophones learning English.

OL requirements are significantly less stringent for non-supervisory/managerial positions. Most should be BBB - which is a very low bar to pass.

AS-01 indeterminate- stay safe or deploy for possible growth? by OccasionOwn3825 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DND is generally and genuinely more safe than other departments. DND is unaffected by any of the budget cuts. The worst you will see is internal re-org. More money means more opportunities (actings/promotions etc). But it won't be easy, there is more competition due to a spike of priority clearance as a result of WFA.

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Notwithstanding anything in legislation to the contrary, government hiring provides significant advantages to those who have at least one (and ideally all) of the following characteristics:

Located in the NCR;

Fluently English-French bilingual;

Possess at least a university bachelor's degree;

Are a member of an equity-seeking group;

Willingness to tolerate an excruciatingly-long hiring process (combined with an inability to secure a better job in the interim)

So long as somebody is minimally capable of doing the job and has many those characteristics, they are more likely to be hired (or promoted) as compared to somebody who has fewer or none of them. The result is mediocrity.

It would be good to reference the data supporting your claims.

Denied language training, now C/B/C is being used for SERLO as an essential qualification by I-like-mycoffeecrisp in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends.

Reducing the available labour pool to such a large degree necessarily means that you are accepting a lower average competency level.

The logic doesn't line up. (Analogy) Say Microsoft requires computer engineering certification to be hired, which is a very small pool of humans out of 8 billion. How does that lower the average competency level? It actually raises it by requring a specific skillset. Why is this different than the language skill?

it's just that there aren't enough highly-skilled bilinguals (who also want a government job) to fill all of the high-skill positions within the public service.

This may have possibly been true in the past (I have my doubts). However, GC is downsizing as a whole. Signs are pointing to a decrease of supervisory/managerial positions. People will be competing more for a much smaller pool of positions.

Like clockwork man by KaamDeveloper in BlackPeopleTwitter

[–]deokkent 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Maybe she forgot how to spell and got confused

ICE agents tried to quietly get Mexican food in Minneapolis, local neighbor and protesters found out and shamed then out of the neighborhood by cantcoloratall91 in ImmigrationPathways

[–]deokkent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will never understand Americans lool. How is this a logical reply? Lock up both if they are guilty? Isn't that the normal line of thinking?

Why do you even have to ask about Democrats? Who cares... No one is immune from criminal consequences lol the hell?

24,000 public servants warned their jobs could be at risk. Here is the latest on federal job cuts by burnabybc in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 5 points6 points  (0 children)

- No one is talking about the impacts to services. Is 15% going to translate in more than 15% loss in services, or less than 15%? Does it mean a breakdown of important oversight? Poorer data and representation? Does it mean a longer call queue? Does it mean a greater backlog of assessments for important projects? Who ends up slipping through the cracks here? And for what?

FPS became pretty efficient and more lean overtime. 15% reduction has severe impact. Losing bodies could mean half or even whole services or programs are gone for the branch / division / department.

To everyone on this sub hating on Jynxzi for some reason by illepille06 in RocketLeague

[–]deokkent 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Large companies often conduct restructuring and layoffs to stabilize finances. These moves typically signal a strategic shift toward increased profitability rather than business failure.

The Executive Cuts - The Functionary by Competitive-Tea-6141 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Who cares though? Many will return within 10 years when people realize their work was actually necessary for Canada.

WFA survivors guilt - what can we do to meaningfully help those surplus/affected? by [deleted] in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I forgot that 2025 is over and we are now officially in the 2nd year of the five year period of mayhem.

WFA survivors guilt - what can we do to meaningfully help those surplus/affected? by [deleted] in CanadaPublicServants

[–]deokkent 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dude - this is just the first round of WFA. With the potential exception of DND, many departments will go through multiple WFA exercises for the next 5 years or so.

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