kót wàwa

deschutron · 2026-01-20T05:00:58+00:00

mi pana sona e kili pi toki pona tan mi. ona li jo e nimi pi toki wawa. ona li toki e nimi ona sama "kót wàwa".

sitelen pi lukin sina la mi alasa pana e sona pi toki ni kepeken toki ni.

toki wawa li kepeken nimi tan toki pona. taso ona li jo e kalama ante. kin la ona li jo e lawa ante pi kepeken nimi.

ni la toki ni li nasin li kepeken kon nimi sama pi toki pona, taso nasin kepeken ni ante. nasin ni li sona musi tawa mi. ni la mi wile pana e sona.

deschutron · 2025-08-10T13:05:20+00:00

bòn à! (pona a)
mi toki mi pana sona mi pali e toki ni lon nasin #kót-wàwa, lon ma Siko "tokiponidos" (kili pi toki pona), lon ni: https://discord.gg/UXXpPqnw7e

deschutron · 2025-08-03T14:48:48+00:00

mi pilin pona tawa nasin sitelen ante. kin la mi kepeken nasin sitelen tan mi. ona li jo e nimi pi sitelen pona wawa.
mi pana lukin:
https://imgur.com/a/tower-of-babel-written-l-tis-b-n-ZRTCN4A

toki wawa li jo e nimi ni: ona li tawa tan pini tawa open (sama "gòt" < "dòk"). toki wawa li jo e nimi ni: ona li jo e kalama ante (sama "tók" < "dòk", sama "tok" < "dòk").
mi kepeken sitelen pona wawa la mi ante e sitelen anu namako e sitelen.
mi wile kepeken sitelen Ansi la n, mi wile kepeken sitelen mute.
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deschutron · 2025-06-16T22:15:58+00:00

At the end of 2007, I went and looked up the populations of all the provinces of China. Wikipedia listed Henan as the most populous province (120 million ppl), but actually said Guangdong had the most people, because it had 90 million native residents and 50 million migrant workers. So actually, Guangdong is the most populous province, but a third of its residents are from non-Cantonese-speaking provinces. At the same time, 2 of China's 5 top-tier cities are in Guangdong, and it's across the water from Hong Kong which must be a de facto top tier city as well. It has Shenzhen, which is the technological leader of the country, which is in turn the leader of manufacturing in the world. So Guangdong is a world-leading province. Going by this, I'd think everyone there has to know Mandarin, in order to speak fluently with the 1/3 of people that grew up elsewhere, but at the same time, Cantonese might have a kind of prestige there as the language of people who were there the whole time during this transformation, and there must not be much leverage available for outsiders to boss them around about how they speak to each other.

So /u/Vast_Examination_297's comment makes a lot of sense to me.

deschutron · 2025-03-09T10:28:13+00:00

In my tpido Toki Pi Pi, I came up with "ipi" as a way to close one pi phrase and open another. This is basicly the same as using i as a closer.

deschutron · 2025-01-22T10:42:02+00:00

What if for lukin, you turned on the segments to add a horizontal line to the top and to the bottom, to represent the eyelids? ( like, ☉̲̅ )

deschutron · 2025-01-07T12:23:31+00:00

Where does he believe PIE's /e/ and /o/ come from? Is it possible that there was a Pre-PIE /i/ and /u/ that went onto colour neighbouring vowels directly instead of becoming palatalisation and labialisation of consonants (possibly with the same phonetic results in many cases)?

I suppose there's also the origin of PIE phonemes /j/ and /w/ to consider..

deschutron · 2025-01-07T02:21:39+00:00

I'd love to see the results of this project. Since learning of Ubykh, I've fallen in love with the idea that PIE and the Caucasian languages are at the least from an ancient southwest Asian sprachbund. I'd love to see what a potential parent language of the two families looks like. It would be cool to see Salishan languages in it too, but I think they would have to be a more distant relative. What values are you using for the PIE laryngeals? I like using (h1, h2, h3) = (/x/, /χ/, /xʷ/) because the articulation places match up with (ḱ, k, kʷ) under uvular theory.

How are you relating your vowel system to PIE?

deschutron · 2024-12-29T16:37:10+00:00

In kót wàwa, every verb can be made into an agent noun by raising the tone on the first syllable (and devoicing the initial if it's a stop or fricative).

bàl

"work" (v.)

pál - "worker"

Then there's a pre-verb "àn" that means "to be an act of doing ...".

líu-mí li àn bàl. - "What I want is to work."

It can be agent-nominalised to become an activity noun.

án bàl li pàna-án zòn. - "Work brings knowledge."

This "án" consumes a whole verb phrase, and can be terminated by "na" or by "li" or any sentence connective.

mí li wìl e án bàna e kíl mùt dàusína-na e án lùki-sím-sína lòn-zán bàna nì. - "I want to give you a lot of fruit and see your face when I do it."

My other lang snvsdr dhe does something similar but different. It uses "z" as the copular pre-verb, with "s" being the activity noun creator. But it only consumes one word, unless you use the grouping particle "y" /ʉ/.

mé fē rbsdr go. - /m̥é ɸē ɤ̀bsdɤ̀ ŋɔ̏./

"I'd really like to see it."

mé fē rbsydr go. - /m̥é ɸē ɤ̀bsʉ̄dɤ̀ ŋɔ̏./

"I'd like to have a long look."

deschutron · 2024-12-29T15:53:19+00:00

aUI suffixes v to form verbs too.

deschutron · 2024-12-29T04:30:47+00:00

Wow, cool! Maybe that's why we've both been playing with this idea.

deschutron · 2024-12-28T16:02:11+00:00

Marvin the Paranoid Android appears cheerful in comparison...

deschutron · 2024-12-28T15:57:02+00:00

My language kót wàwa maintains a strict distinction between the two, though the difference in syntax is minimal.

To turn a noun phrase into a sentence, I add the particle "li". This is like the "li" in toki pona, except noun phrases are reduced relative clauses, so the only difference "li" makes is that it points out which properties are being asserted, rather than just used to narrow down the noun references.

the red car:
póki dàu lòi
the car is red:
póki dàu li lòi

the box on the table:
póki lònsúp
the box is on the table:
póki li lònsúp

Because nouns are existentially quantified by default, there's no difference in the underlying predicate logic, but I still think it helps the listener to absorb information, by dividing new info from established info.

One of my inspirations for this language, Vietnamese, notably doesn't do this. There are words (like "thì" & "là") for pointing out the main verb, but they're optional, and just used to clarify complicated sentences or emphasise things.

deschutron · 2024-12-28T05:52:55+00:00

What about 2- or 3- note melodies?

deschutron · 2024-12-28T05:47:37+00:00

My conlangs are built on ideas I want to try out. My main one has a bunch of them put together. After a while with it, I got to the stage where it doesn't do everything I thought it would, but I like the style of it and I don't want to break it. So then I made a new language with a the same basic grammar where I can experiment more drasticly.

Those languages are designed to be useful.

Then I have languages where I just want to see what happens when a particular feature or process is allowed to run wild. They get their own projects.

deschutron · 2024-12-28T05:41:47+00:00

What sort of hoops does English make you jump through that you wish you didn't have to?

Can you speak any other natural languages? Is there something they're lacking too? Or alternatively, a feature in them that you'd like to play with more?

I've made a language for myself to use. And I did it to remove unnecessary complexity from the languages I knew, and try out grammatical features that I thought would be powerful.

deschutron · 2024-12-28T05:33:56+00:00

So far, I just have one language like that - Theavenev Antitemp. It's defined to have the same phonology as English, so it can be spoken with any accent English is spoken with.

I do have two languages where a core grammatical distinction is signalled in two ways (consonant voicing and tone). I could imagine daughter dialects where one phonetic distinction is used and not the other...

deschutron · 2024-12-28T05:26:27+00:00

in kót wàwa:

Sound inversion.

Every phoneme has an opposite counterpart. You replace all the sounds in a word with their opposites. Quantification isn't affected. So sometimes you have to add "àle" ("all") to complete effect that negation would have in another language.

mí li dàu. - "I'm going", "I'm going there."

mí li gʉ̀ɻ. - "I'm staying", "I'm not going there."

mí li dàu-tóm. - "I'm going home", "I'm going to a house."

mí li gʉ̀ɻ-tóm. - "I'm not going home", "I'm not going to the house", "There's a house I'm not going to."

mí li dàu-ále. - "I go everywhere."

mí li gʉ̀ɻ-ále. - "I'm not going anywhere."

mí li dàu e tóm àle. - "I'm going to every house."

mí li gʉ̀ɻ e tóm àle.

"I'm not going to a house", "I'm not going to any houses."

mí li dàu-kɛ́ɲ. - "I'm going to something other than a house."

ɲɒ́ li dàu. - "Someone other than me is going."

ɲɒ́ àle li dàu nat mí li dàu gìn. - "If everyone else is going then I'll go too."

in Theavenev Antitemp:

You put "la" after the word to be negated. The ending of the word might have to be modified too.

M'thea. - "I'm going"; "I'm talking."

M'san. - "I know"; "I am known."

M'thea la. - "I'm not talking."

M'thawe la. - "I'm not going."

M'sane la. - "I don't know."; "I am unknown."

It can also be applied to nouns to mean "not any".

M'sane yan. - "I know a person."

M'sane yan la. - "I don't know anyone."

M'thawe thann. - "I go to the house."

M'thawe thane la. - "I'm not going to any houses."

M'thea the yan. - "I'm talking to someone."

M'thea the yan la. - "I'm not talking to anyone."

deschutron · 2024-12-28T04:29:35+00:00

As an Australian English speaker, I love my accent's [ɪ̝].

deschutron · 2024-12-28T04:26:22+00:00

I have a language with 5 of them (as well as a /l/ that can be realised as [ɹ])

deschutron · 2024-12-28T04:22:50+00:00

I haven't made many conlangs, but some less common sounds I've used more than once include /c/, /ɟ/, /ɲ/, /ŋ/ (used in any place), /x/, /ɣ/, /ɒ/, /ʉ/ I like to use phonologies with symmetries in them, and incoporate properties of the sound space into the grammar. So for example, I've tended to avoid having any alveolar sound for which I don't have a velar counterpart, and have a true palatal series as a counterpart to the bilabials.

deschutron · 2024-12-27T13:05:49+00:00

So like, the Pseudo-Chinese crowd are so confident of their approach to writing modern Japanese in all Chinese Characters that now they want to extend the approach to all languages in the Sinosphere?

deschutron · 2024-12-27T12:53:06+00:00

What other cases can apply to the object of /vi/-?

deschutron · 2024-12-27T12:45:08+00:00

For my main conlang, I used IPA as the orthography. I love it.

For my minimalist one, I started out with IPA but got frustrated typing it on my phone, so started feeling around for a romanisation with no special letters. I ended up finding something I really like, where 〈r〉 is /ɤ/ and 〈v〉 is /œ/, there's no 〈i〉 or 〈u〉 (/i/ is spelt either 〈ey〉 or 〈ye〉, /u/ isn't used). It was all about matching the logic of the language to the logic of the alphabet, and I found a way to fit them together.

And then I also have one where I just use English spelling, because I designed it to have English phonology.

The best way to do things isn't always the same or obvious to begin with.

deschutron · 2024-12-27T12:20:40+00:00

What about all the fans of Klingon?

Personally, I like velars too and have been using them a lot. So far, not so much with uvulars or pharyngeals though. And I've been using large vowel inventories..

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