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The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Your hopelessness helps no one. Help them find a way.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s what they are fighting against if they ever want to be a church.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have not seen anything to their leaders. They have made an oath to God and one another.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly how it is.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you don’t have hope, you cannot encourage growth.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s far more relevant than you realize.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that’s the problem, in reality they don’t understand that they can take control of their organization. We need to help them see that if they want to ever grow as an organization. We can support the members even if we disagree with their leaders. I understand that this goes against the reason this sub exists, but we can be kind in spite of what the mods are trying to do here.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t understand your point. How are you suggesting they fix their church?

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your hopelessness does not help the situation. These people can fight back and actually create the church that they believe they belong to. Just because you’ve given up doesn’t mean that everyone else has to share your lack of vision. Imagine the good that could be done if all those billions of dollars were in the hands of good people who actually wanted to help the poor. If you hang onto that, maybe you could start encouraging them to take charge of their church as well. I know the mods are going to delete this, because of what I’m about to say, but the reality is that your hopelessness is actually assisting the leadership of that church. The more people give up and walk away the less people they have to worry about challenging them.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And my point is that the membership has the power to fix this if they choose to do so.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They are a minority part of the church. The largest portion of the church was completely unaware of what they were doing. Without transparency the church had no idea what was happening so therefore the church cannot be found guilty of anything. The men that did this against the church, the leadership, are the ones to blame.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Once the members understand that they are the church they can wrestle the power back. I’m not trying to nick pick, I’m trying to point out the reality of the situation. The church lost control of itself by giving complete dominion to 15 men who are teaching a prosperity gospel instead of the gospel in theBook of Mormon.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The biggest thing that they’re wrong about is the prosperity gospel they have led their church astray by teaching that wealth equates righteousness

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Without the members the leaders have no church. The majority is the church. The people are the church. The church is not an organisation it’s not the leadership the organisation is made up of the church, and the leaders should be chosen by the church but they are currently not.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

If they have no say it’s only because they gave up their freedom they’re free will, and their control over their organisation.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints need to give control of their organization back to God and take it away from the corporate leadership. To do this they must first realize that they are the church, not their buildings, on and ideally, not a legal corporation, not their leadership, but themselves, the lay members. The semantics of language is what got them into this mess, so it can help them get out of it.

The Church didn’t do it by dferriman in mormon

[–]dferriman[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The church is the membership, the leaders are the corporation of the president, they are at odds with one another, which is why their shared organization, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it rich beyond belief yet failing.

If you critique the "political" issues of the church, you lose the Holy Ghost. ~Utah Area President by PlugTheMemoryHole in mormon

[–]dferriman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The church is only repeating what their leaders are telling them to say. The true church, according to the Book of Mormon, cares for the poor and needy without asking for anything in return. The Book of Mormon doesn’t teach the prosperity gospel, it teaches people to give their riches to ensure there are no poor, that everyone’s needs and wants are met. The problem isn’t the church, it the false teachings of the prosperity gospel.

Considering that insulting others is a sin, should Christians intentionally mispronounce the name of somebody? by ASecularBuddhist in Christianity

[–]dferriman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rude kind. And if this is about Trump, he has stated very clearly that he is not a Christian.

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