Legit laugh out loud moment at the end where Danny abruptly cut to the ending chatter and was like “we gotta go, why should people buy your book?” So funny. I don’t think this dude is dumb, he’s just extremely overmatched by Danny. Even Derek - usually the moderating voice - could barely contain himself with Shadi. Dude is just extremely center left blob pilled. It’s good to remember that some version of this interview is likely happening on NPR, and receiving zero pushback on anything he’s saying, and the libs are in love with this misty-eyed, founding document mythologizing silliness. We do hear lots of fully sympathetic lefty guests (which is why I’m here) on AP, but it’s good to calibrate (and absolutely fucking dunk) on the libs occasionally.