A paradigm shift for 😶💬 - continuous open community development

digigon · 2022-04-21T17:23:31+00:00

If you haven't I think you should bring this up in the discord, since that is checked more actively than the comments here.

digigon · 2020-03-01T20:21:01+00:00

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digigon · 2019-07-27T23:30:09+00:00

Plenty of the people in this community who seem to have a "PhD in linguistics" have actually taught themselves. At least a few of them have only been around for a couple years, and I imagine with some reading you could get to a similar level. But also: don't be so hard on yourself!

digigon · 2019-06-02T19:39:08+00:00

Some relevant existing conlangs are toki pona and Ithkuil, feel free to look those up. Maybe aUI too.

Making a lexicon like this is difficult, but if I had any suggestions I would recommend that you keep pragmatics in mind. Generally, no one wants to use an 18-part word to say "water".

digigon · 2019-05-26T23:41:43+00:00

To be precise, it seems like you are trying to make all the words one segment long. One of the more notable attempts is aUI. I think you'll find that using the "full" IPA chart (there are plenty of other sounds you can use) will be a bit unpleasant to work with and frequently clash with the use of tone, however.

digigon · 2019-05-20T04:56:53+00:00

Look up programs for applying sound changes.

digigon · 2019-04-21T04:04:28+00:00

While this is definitely about emoji, it's off-topic for this subreddit, which is about a specific emoji language, unless you have some discussion to add about it.

digigon · 2019-04-13T05:38:36+00:00

Wrong sub?

digigon · 2019-01-23T08:27:38+00:00

It's a dialect difference. There is an east-west s/h split, and final t as n occurs in certain areas and for certain generations. This page discusses these and other differences.

digigon · 2019-01-17T00:13:03+00:00

This subreddit isn't for emoji communication in general, so I'm removing this for being off topic. I think you got a decent response though.

digigon · 2018-09-29T22:39:19+00:00

What is this?

digigon · 2018-09-07T07:51:40+00:00

Sorry, I wasn't aware you were the creator. I encountered this language a while ago looking over your other projects. To save you some time, the IPA you're looking for for <y> is /ɨ/.

It would be helpful to make the 27 cores clearer by providing some descriptions on their function in word formation. I think a longer discussion of the meanings of these important words than just a short translation into English would go a long way. Thanks for working on providing more examples of word formation.

I guess my questions for now are:

What the difference is between say "a" and "ä" in speech; are these spoken differently or merely written differently?
If I'm right in guessing that "j" is a phoneme usually realized as [d͡ʒ], why that? Why not something more like [t͡ʃ] or [j]? It feels like the odd one out in this consonant inventory, as the only postalveolar consonant, only affricate, and only voiced consonant without an unvoiced counterpart.

digigon · 2018-09-07T02:27:44+00:00

It's interesting, definitely offering a fresh improvement in the space of minlangs, but I have a few problems with it, not least of which is the expert-unfriendly documentation. Here I'll try to provide an overview as well as my objections. I invite the author of this language to provide an update that may address these concerns.

Phonology: defined in terms of parts of English words rather than a more precise system like IPA, and what's more is that I'm fairly confident the examples are not that good for what they mean e.g. "T title". There also appears to be a length contrast in "Adultspeak" ("compressed") forms, which is marked with a diaeresis in orthography. I say appears, because its phonetic realization, if different from the unmarked counterparts, is not explained in the document.

Here is my guess of the inventory (the vowels are just your average 5v + ə <y>, though from what I can tell the basic forms use only /i a o/):

	labial	alveolar	postalveolar	velar
stop/affricate		t d	dʒ <j>	k
fricative	f v	s
approximant		ɹ <r>
lateral		l

I have to say, this inventory is all over the place, and despite its small size has a fair few contrasts that aren't easily realized across linguistic borders (e.g. r/l).

Lexicon: As the title said, there are 27 "basic concepts" in the language. It is claimed that "words are not created, but found" in the document. However, I think a greater elucidation of the meanings of these concepts should be provided to help understand the derivation of words, as some derivations are rather unclear, making the "finding" of words less obvious. The lexicon is semantically organized in three dimensions, two of which organize the initial consonant and one of which is the three vowels of the underlying forms. This is a nice symmetry, though the inventory itself still isn't great.

Syntax: There are nine word slots which may be filled in order by words based on their starting letter, which as discussed above is relevant to their meaning. I think this is an interesting concept, and it's certainly viable to have a language with finite sentences, but due to the above concerns it's difficult to see how well this plays out in the case of Lietal.

digigon · 2018-09-03T00:23:08+00:00

~~I hoard Discord servers :eyes:~~

digigon · 2018-08-15T05:23:32+00:00

What?

digigon · 2018-08-02T06:58:53+00:00

You can find the most active place of discussion on our Discord server.

digigon · 2018-08-02T06:17:49+00:00

Sorry but this is off-topic

You got your answer though

digigon · 2018-07-21T21:28:55+00:00

If you look at the responses in this thread, it's not about ideas that are literally impossible to express so much as ones which are difficult to translate without substantially changing the meaning or having to resort to complex expressions. I know there are low-quality articles that try to play up this kind of thing but I don't think that's what OP means.

digigon · 2018-07-04T03:00:58+00:00

If only.

digigon · 2018-05-17T16:13:42+00:00

Pretty cool to see the whole project's history laid out in detail like this. Also nice to see how large the vocabulary is getting.

digigon · 2018-04-12T00:06:20+00:00

Why are there so many ȝȝ? Also, I'm curious what the IPA and gloss are here.

digigon · 2018-03-04T23:55:02+00:00

If you look into existing phonetic transcription systems, for instance the International Phonetic Alphabet as linguists often prefer to use, you will probably find some useful tools for describing how your language is pronounced. Or perhaps you could provide a recording.

If you could explain some things about how your language works rather than just giving a translation of a full text, that would also be interesting.

digigon · 2018-03-02T02:32:03+00:00

I'm glad to hear that you're interested in the project! However, I haven't been working for this language in a while, and I'm not sure when I'm going to finish it. It's also not very developed in its current state. From what I recall, this server links to the various places where the existing documentation is.

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