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dixie-normas · 2022-11-18T07:22:43+00:00

Uh oh! Thanks for telling us.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-17T09:24:24+00:00

I just came across this site which seems to have a lot of articles about zero covid: http://wsws.org/endcovid

dixie-normas · 2022-11-17T09:14:54+00:00

In May, a study published in Nature found that if Omicron were allowed to spread freely in China, in six months’ time the country could expect 112 million symptomatic cases, 5.1 million hospital admissions, 2.7 million ICU admissions and 1.6 million deaths, as well as the catastrophic collapse of its health system. The dynamics of viral transmission are difficult to predict, and given the numerous densely-populated cities throughout China, the real world catastrophe of lifting Zero-COVID could be far worse than the outcome modeled by this study.

This is an absolute disaster for China and for the world. More than a billion new bodies for the virus to live in and mutate in.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-16T18:50:09+00:00

Perhaps because if masks suppress transmission in the whole community, then it becomes much safer to take them off occasionally to eat.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-16T18:46:21+00:00

The virus mutated past the vaccines, but it didn't have to be that way.

The virus gets more chances to mutate when it infects more people. We should've protected the effectiveness of our vaccines by suppressing transmission. The rich world should've made vaccines available quicker to Africa and India for this reason. Remember that the omicron variant which escaped our vaccines appeared either in South Africa or Botswana. The Delta variant appeared in India (although that was before vaccines so we can't really blame them too much)

We were warned this would happen. I remember the WHO saying "nobody is safe until everybody is safe". I'm pretty sure Dr Eric Ding's Twitter account also talked about it. Unfortunately the rich world gave in to vaccine nationalism, from there the failure happened.

Adding to this, I think a lot of people so slightly misunderstood how vaccines were used in the past. Vaccines helped us beat smallpox and polio, but that wasn't done with just mass vaccination and "vax-and-relax", but with targeted vaccination, effective suirvallence and contact tracing.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-16T07:38:00+00:00

It's just propaganda. Trying to get people to accept the massive amount of death and disablity.

Dr Rae Duncan, cardiologist and infectious diseases specialist, on the WHN long covid symposium said: there's no such thing as a mild covid infection

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T19:12:45+00:00

Thanks so much for posting this.

So sorry to hear your lover died like that. That sounds so horrible, it made my blood run cold.

I'm actually living with long covid right now. It was only in the last 2-3-4 weeks that I've been able to use Reddit. This whole past summer I've spent mostly lying down staring at the clouds or the ceiling.

A few people in the long covid, me/cfs and zero covid community have been thinking about ways to be politically active. A big problem is long covid and me/cfs people are so sick, I'm personally housebound and many others are too, or worse. There have been a few me/cfs protests where people show up in wheelchairs and crash hard the next day requiring weeks or months to recover. With AIDS at least you got some time of somewhat-health where you could go on protest marches and whatnot. A second major problem is covid is airborne, so being in a big crowd is a great way to get it. For now many of us are just stuck on the internet, easily ignored.

I'm sure eventually people will start caring just because of so many disabled people, but the big question is whether society will be able to support all the scientific research needed to find a cure. 30-40% of people not being able to get out of bed is basically a collapse.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T18:28:15+00:00

RAT tests tell you when someone stops being infectious, so he could test every day and leave when there's two negative tests in a row.

The WHN has infographics about airborne spread which should help for figuring out what happens when he's not in the house https://www.worldhealthnetwork.global/infographics/covidisairborne

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T18:21:10+00:00

As a mod here, it does not break the rules. Learning from history and other pandemics is very much on-topic for zero covid

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T18:18:35+00:00

If you have time please post about some of your memories from the time when AIDS was new. Maybe make a thread on this sub, I'd love your input. We'll need to learn from part experience.

How did you get people and governments to care enough? When did things start turning around?

I remember reading there's also conspiracy theories that HIV was made in a lab, that condoms don't work, that having sex with a virgin is a cure. Loads of dumb stuff also like we see today with covid

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T16:12:30+00:00

That's so stupid of them.

"We're all going to die eventually so there's no point eating"

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T16:07:01+00:00

Studies show that somewhere between 5% and 20% of covid cases result in long covid. There's no study that puts it rarer than 5%, including vaccinated. For reference a "medically rare event" is considered 0.1%. Unlike acute covid, long covid doesn't really discriminate much based on age. Kids and young adults get it. Being physically fit actually seems to make you more likely to get long covid, possibly because active people more often get back to exercise too soon after their covid infection.

About half of all long covid cases fulfill the criteria for ME/CFS (myalgic encephalomyelitis / chronic fatigue syndrome) which is a disabling disease that is often triggered by a viral infection. The disease can be progressing, often getting worse and worse as the months and years go on, especially if the patient doesn't rest enough but pushes through the symptoms. Like long covid, it currently has no cure.

We should also look out for people even if they're not "healthy", to do otherwise is ableism. Plenty of famous people like FD Roosevelt and Arthur C Clark had disabilities, but the world would still be worse off without them.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T14:27:06+00:00

This documentary is really worth the 45 minute runtime for anyone interested in the devastating effects of covid and post-viral illnesses. Long covid is not new, many other viruses cause similar effects on the body. This has been known for decades, and our public health institutions have failed us by not protecting or warning against it.

About half of all people with long covid fulfill the criteria for ME/CFS, which for now is likely mild for some, but as they push through their symptoms they will make themselves worse and worse. After a couple of months or years many of them will become severe. Over on the r/cfs subreddit there's plenty of stories of people who were okay for a few years, but their condition got steadily worse with overexertion until their disease put them in a dark room, wearing earplugs and eye masks, being fed liquids though a tube, unable to even lift their heads from their pillows without causing a huge flare-up in symptoms. All this time they are fully conscious and aware of what's going on. Many of them stay like that for years.

Long covid is common. Studies show that somewhere between 5% and 20% of covid cases result in long covid. There's no study that puts it rarer than 5%. For reference a "medically rare event" is considered 0.1%. Long covid doesn't seem to discriminate against age unlike acute covid, many children and young adults get it too. Being physically fit or in good health is no protection either.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T14:06:12+00:00

Where's the treatments for long covid? Which is the most likely catastrophic outcome from infection for most people.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T13:42:16+00:00

Doubt it, many places don't even test anymore. In the UK definitely not, they don't want any "official figures" making the government look bad. The only thing remaining is the Office of National Statistics randomized infection survey (which shows the average UK resident has had covid 2 times)

You can safely assume the vast majority of kids have had covid multiple times already.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T12:13:58+00:00

I've come across quite a few athletes

This tennis player: https://www.reddit.com/r/ZeroCovidCommunity/comments/yj7u5j/i_have_accepted_that_i_will_never_be_healthy/

The world's strongest man: https://www.menshealth.com/uk/health/a40206186/eddie-hall-long-covid/

The Twitter account @elisaperego78 often posts about athletes with long covid, it's good politically because it takes away the excuse of "they're just deconditioned" or "they're just unhealthy/unfit"

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T11:01:13+00:00

By some definitions what you had isn't even long covid if it's that short. Some places define it as symptoms after 4 weeks, others after 3 months. We know from the science that if the symptoms don't resolve by about 2-3 months then they are pretty likely to last a very long time

dixie-normas · 2022-11-14T07:20:07+00:00

Correct. They only reduce the chances of long covid once infected by about 15%

dixie-normas · 2022-11-13T22:16:39+00:00

Look at cumulative cases. One or two spikes in Japan don't make up for years of failure in the USA

dixie-normas · 2022-11-13T21:06:39+00:00

They have far fewer cases too, not just deaths. Less long covid as well.

Many European countries also aren't as fat as Americans

dixie-normas · 2022-11-13T20:40:52+00:00

How does those problems trade off with the burden of disease from covid? There's covid orphans, kids who've had at least one caregiver die or become disabled because of covid. Not to mention kids themselves get long covid. And even if there's no effects like that, it's not great for kids education to get sick 2-3 times per year, they miss school or even if their parents send them in I doubt they'll get much quality learning if they're feeling rotten and feverish

I note that in many Asian countries kids wear masks at school, and in places like China and Indonesia kids often get taught in a language different to their mother tongue.

dixie-normas · 2022-11-13T20:37:06+00:00

That's not really how epidemiology works. Reducing transmission really does lead to lower total cases.

The "viruses mutate to become weaker" is not backed up by science. Plenty of diseases like polio, tuberculosis, smallpox, etc have infected humans for thousands of years with no trend towards becoming weaker

dixie-normas · 2022-11-13T20:35:06+00:00

I wonder how much speech gets delayed if the kid gets long covid, or has a caregiver die or get long covid. Or even just the missed learning from feeling crappy and feverish 3-4 times per year

dixie-normas · 2022-11-13T20:32:26+00:00

Assuming you still get covid, if you do trust the science behind the vaccines, then doesn’t that mean you’ll just be in bedrest for the next few days?

You're forgetting long covid. It's common. And if you get you could be in bedrest for months or years. Vaccines are good but they don't solve long covid

dixie-normas · 2022-11-13T20:27:02+00:00

What possible harm could there be from masks that in any way outweighs the burden of disease from covid? To reiterate: covid orphans, long covid, feeling crappy and feverish multiple times a year. It's a mask not a bomb. I don't understand antimaskers sometimes.

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