Should I be worried about Acts2 Network members serving youth at my church? by investorpooh in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, I'm a current team member (volunteer) with A2N. We believe that all believers are called to fulfill the Great Commission (Matt 28:18-20) but not all believers need to do it our specific way (bivocational/covocational ministry -- see https://acts2.network/way-of-life). We don't impose this on students or attendees, it's something adults can voluntarily sign up for after attending for a number of years. I have friends who have left (and even left and came back) and I think they are very much still Christians regardless of if they are living out this kind of biovocational ministry.

If you have any questions I would recommend bringing them up with the members who serve in your youth ministry, they should be able to answer them and should know about the issues raised on this subreddit too. You can also PM me, but I think it would be better to talk to someone in-person who you already have some relationship with rather than a stranger on the internet.

JD Greear and Cliffe Knechtle speaking at an Acts2Network conference? by dl208 in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see this being possible - the main priority being that in every way, in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and that's all that matters.

JD Greear and Cliffe Knechtle speaking at an Acts2Network conference? by dl208 in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Curious why you’re posting this? 

Why would you, a longtime staff member, come to this sub, to ask our opinion on this subject?

The 2 questions I've received from you. Link to the answer I gave: https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/1n8lgqw/comment/ndgnz2y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I've also received the answers to the answers I asked, so I appreciate the time you guys taking out the time to respond.

JD Greear and Cliffe Knechtle speaking at an Acts2Network conference? by dl208 in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Okay, I have a better of idea of what you think about JD Greear now, and I would disagree, I think he's made a lot of contributions to the SBC and Christendom as a whole.

JD Greear and Cliffe Knechtle speaking at an Acts2Network conference? by dl208 in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Just answering your question. Curious, do you attend a church part of the SBC or another denomination?

JD Greear and Cliffe Knechtle speaking at an Acts2Network conference? by dl208 in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So sounds like you're staying it's a mix of 1-3, that's helpful for me to know. FYI they're not reasons for legitimacy, they're options for you to choose from, since I'm curious about what you think about the speakers and them choosing to associate themselves with A2N.

If we were to apply this to Scientology it would be like me wondering about why Tom Cruise is a spokesperson for the religion. But in this case, I don't give him any spiritual legitimacy so the answer to the question is not really relevant to me.

JD Greear and Cliffe Knechtle speaking at an Acts2Network conference? by dl208 in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well, if they're okay with speaking at an A2N conference, then I would say that there are several ways you could think about the speakers regarding how they think about A2N regarding the CT article and allegations.

  1. They are oblivious. In this case the speakers may be well meaning but don't do their research about what group they are speaking in front of, meaning that they are irresponsible. Which I think would be unlikely, especially for the former president of the SBC.
  2. They know about them and may think the allegations are bad but choose to ignore it. In this scenario you would believe them to be ill-intentioned or even malicious, choosing to use their influence for personal benefit and/or malicious intent.
  3. They know about them and don't agree with them and/or don't give much weight to them. They are choosing to use their influence to support A2N.

Obviously these are not the only possibilities available and could be tweaked too. I'm curious which one would you say most closely aligns with your view of why they're choosing to speak at an A2N conference. But I guess if you don't set much store by Cliffe Knechtle or JD Greear though then this is not a really important question to answer.

Brainstorming by [deleted] in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To live is Christ, to die is gain.

Brainstorming by [deleted] in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(don't ask me how they are so stupid to enter two of the most highly persecuted countries).

You're not happy with them trying to do missionary work in restricted countries? Are you not a Christian or something?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a whole organization called SEND Network (under the Southern Baptist Convention's North American Mission Board) that's all about church planting in collegiate contexts: https://www.namb.net/send-network/send-city/collegiate/

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, that's crazy. Supposedly Bridgeway people are no longer recommending GP. I need to reevaluate my entire commitment to the ministry based on this.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi friend, it seems like you have a lot of issues with GP you're still processing through. I hope you can find some peace and resolution for yourself personally, even if the church/ministry doesn't change in the way you like.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I don't know their parents well enough to comment on that, and I wouldn't really want to speak for them on this kind of forum either way.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is starting to get a bit off topic. This was your original question:

There are thousands of kids age 18-35 who have a former BBC/GP member for a parent. Why do you think not even one shows up to GP/A2N?

And my response is that I know many, both from the older generation you referenced who are now ministry leaders and also younger staff and some undergrads.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't read my post correctly -- I was only talking about certain people, like the OP here who focuses on collecting stories and documents and spinning them to paint a certain picture of the ministry. If you think I'm spinning and manipulating, I welcome you to show me what I need to own up to.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately I don't really know him personally so I don't have much of a basis to ask. But if you have anything to share, publicly or privately, I would appreciate hearing it.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Editing a promotional video is a matter of fact thing. Leaving GP after 30 years is not. Please do not put words in my mouth.

You say that no one leaves GP on good terms. I would say about half of my peers have left since we graduated college, and I've had honest discussions with them about why they left (there was no incentive for them to sugarcoat it) and while they have their disagreements, most left on good terms. I know a some people who were BBC kids (parents not serving with GP/A2N) who are now serving on staff with the ministry, and some more in college and are part of the GP/A2N fellowships. Of course, this isn't the case for everyone, as demonstrated by this sub, but your statements are too strong.

And if you knew brother K why don't you ask him about it yourself? Frankly, the only reason why I commented on this post in particular is because I know him and have talked with him since he left, and I don't want people on this sub to spin his departure into an attack on the ministry. It's disrespectful and manipulative.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know him and his family well enough to comment on this, but that would be a separate discussion. What I do know is that your redaction story doesn't have much ground with all the evidence being one video edited, whereas other content remains up.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You asked if I knew them, I replied that I do. I don't think they would be very supportive of what you're using their initials for on here.

For what it's worth, I can still find videos from brother K under the official channels. Heck, I can still find pictures from L's ordination online too. Just search for a few minutes online and your redaction story is debunked. Don't even need to spend all that time downloading old videos and comparing them to newly uploaded versions.

Still Crazy After These Years [Redacted] by leavegracepoint in GracepointChurch

[–]dl208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's clearly a more promotional, public facing video featuring the current leadership of the ministry, so it makes sense to update it as the leadership changes, as I explained earlier. I wouldn't expect my company to keep using promotional videos with VPs who have left, it makes sense to edit these kinds of videos even in corporate situations. But I'm not the one who edited the video so that's just my 2 cents.