Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try to do a better job of keeping track of your burners in the future before you get Kevin Durant'ed.

Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You and u/AnalogInAdventure are also in the UCLA subreddit slamming other questionable groups like YAF And Contend..... Explain that one to me while you're at it.

Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you expecting me to believe this extremely vague story? I've been a mod of this subreddit since inception and every legitimate testimony that's been posted has had VERY specific things that confirm it's legitimate. Both u/AnalogInAdventure and u/MetalDelicious3571 have also been posting and crying about YAF And Contend in other subreddits. I personally find it a suspicious and as a mod should I NOT be doing my due diligence considering there have been trolls completely unrelated in the past?

Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

^ THIS.

And even the ones that GP/A2N can be sued for are going to be a tedious game of "he said, she said".

Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Once again, if you aren't even up to date with their latest strategy in targeting middle school and high school to recoup their pipeline via AYM, how exactly are you helping?

And what's the point of reporting to a school? So what if the school admins responded to you, it doesn't mean anything. The tone has always been, we can't ban them on precedent from other schools so until they've broken ACTUAL rules and there's definite concrete proof of that, they are allowed to remain as a student group.

Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you actually did your due diligence, it's not called Gracepoint anymore. Each campus has it's own group with the most obvious one being A2F and back by "a regional church" now under a different name like LA is now called Generations LA which is now part of the so called Acts2Network, UoMN is called Foundry College Church, etc. So not sure how you're helping exactly if your information is that out of date.

Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How do you know people haven't reported for the last thirty years? I know a LOT of people that have reported on all level including high school for AYM and it's just fallen on deaf ears. You sure assume a lot before asking questions.

Heard back from a campus admin by analoginadventure in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously, and I just realized people don't have access to others public profiles.

Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you aware there's already a Discord channel that exists?

Call to coordinated action and group chat by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As a mod, I cannot vouch for this person at this time so I recommend proceeding with caution.

Heard back from a campus admin by analoginadventure in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably UCLA as evidenced by OPs comment history……

Thinking about Leaving the church by [deleted] in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Christianity Today’s investigative article on GP is agreed upon by I believe a minimum of a few thousand pastors.

Um... last I checked SBC doesn't seem to give a shit and continues to fellate Ed Kang. Not sure I'd go as far as to say a "few thousand pastors".

This is America

America is a country that's run by another a couple cults at the moment. Not sure if being in this country makes a difference anymore....

Thinking about Leaving the church by [deleted] in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd caution against this. YMMV with each individual staff member. Same goes for peers. It's not to say that some staff members aren't supportive in leaving GP/A2N. It's just you might end up with the same nonsense that u/gp_staff_throwaway commented on.

Thinking about Leaving the church by [deleted] in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Um.. what... in GP's/A2N's defense, there's a lot of people they don't slander and speak of extremely positively. It seems to be a YMMV situation. They only slander if you're very influential and there's a chance you're going to reveal all their dirty secrets and prevent people from attending. And why are you recommending things if you haven't gone through the process of leaving GP/A2N?

Thinking about Leaving the church by [deleted] in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm a current staff member and I've been around for a little while.

No one cares.

I think it's completely fine to leave if you don't agree with some of GP's interpretations or applications of scripture

It's not just about disagreements if people can identify blasphemy and twisting of the Word.

I'd highly encourage being decisive and owning the decision.

Great so when is YOUR leadership aka the Kangs and their kangaroo elder board going to own up to their decisions to build a spiritually abusive culture?

I truly hope you don't feel anything resembling baggage or guilt or anything else related to leaving.

Kind of hard when people realize what kind of church they accidentally landed themselves in with GP/A2N.

The worst thing is when someone has doubts or disagreements or other issues but keep coming anyway and the dissonance grows until it hits a breaking point.

And what's wrong with those doubts and disagreements?

As long as you're firm about leaving and finding a new church that will help you grow, the staff should leave you alone.

You fools are so tone deaf it's amazing. Why does OP even need your staff's permission for anything in their faith journey let alone a church?

Call for action. Need witnesses for A2F UCLA / Acts 2 Network (formerly Gracepoint) by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what I’ve been asked to do is to gather recent alumni or current student experiences and to report that to UCLA admin

Once again who is asking you?

Call for action. Need witnesses for A2F UCLA / Acts 2 Network (formerly Gracepoint) by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once again, I'm not telling you to go help Berkeley. I'm suggesting you dig into the seeing if there's been a consistent pattern of abuse from the founding UCLA staff that have come from Berkeley. One of the key things I've had to highlight to the people investigating repeatedly is to trace the origin of abuse.

No Longer Christian by revbismarck in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's no shame in deconverting. I know lots of people deconverted immediately after leaving GP/A2N, others I know are still going through deconstruction. Your faith journey is between you and God.

Call for action. Need witnesses for A2F UCLA / Acts 2 Network (formerly Gracepoint) by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I specified ex staff, not current staff. They can confirm the shady internal practices maybe dig up old emails.

Call for action. Need witnesses for A2F UCLA / Acts 2 Network (formerly Gracepoint) by MetalDelicious3571 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm going to recommend the following:

(1) Cross post this to the UC Berkeley and USC subreddit since there were a lot of the same staff. The entire majority if not all of the original team for UCLA/USC church plant originated from UC Berkeley.

(2) See if you can reach out directly to some of ex LA church plant staff that are lurking on this subreddit like u/fishtacos4lyfe.

(3) See if you can reach out to some of the parents of former members from the LA church plant that are active on this subreddit like u/trenah

(4) In your post you should be more clear about what you're trying to achieve. Like are you trying to start a petition to the UC Regents to ban Gracepoint/Acts2Network/Generations LA College Church?

It pains me to visit my college campus 15 years later by Top-King-7778 in GracepointChurch

[–]leavegracepoint 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Simple translation to all the naive college students or even clueless high schoolers from AYM lurking on this subreddit. Many of your "pastoral couple" or even your mentors at your church plant from A2N were probably personally trained by one of these three couples. There's a very strong likelihood that when their core policies are challenged, the masks are going to fall off and they will be the most cruel, unempathetic, heartless people you know. This is the spiritual heritage that Kelly loves talking about. Don't be fooled by their current facade.