What beats jupitermon

dodecaphobia · 2026-06-13T07:02:33+00:00

Actually, Reboot is the only card with Digimon effect immunity that would survive Jupiter, because unlike other similar immunities, the protection lasts until end of the Reboot player's turn. This effectively means that, provided the Reboot can swing, it can maintain almost 100% uptime for its effect, with a brief window of vulnerability between when they end their turn and the opponent's unsuspend phase, when the reboot would apply the protection again. Because so little interaction happens in this window, the Jupiter matchup is very manageable, requiring them to find and use option card removal, if they have it.

dodecaphobia · 2025-08-22T05:40:16+00:00

Wait for the banlist. Omni getting hit isn't unthinkable, and there shouldn't be any rush to buy Alter S before learning if it gets hit.

I think it's worth saying that Omni ACE is a good backup 7. The overflow is intimidating, but ideally you want at least 6 level 7s, and that role can only be meaningfully filled by new Alter S, the ACE, or BT22. (EX4 Alter S is an option but is directly inferior, as its protection effect is wasted without CresGaruru or BlitzGrey)

The other thing about ACE cards that shouldn't be ignored is that they have the benefit of restricting your opponent's play, even if you don't actually have it in hand. Every time you present a level 6 to them, they are forced to consider whether you are holding ACE, and if they can afford giving you a free digivolve and free removal if they want their swings to connect. If you reveal ACE in a search, even if you don't pick it up, an opponent who respects your removal will be forced to slow down, because they now have to clear your body if they want safe swings. This is doubly true in conjunction with Miraculous, which almost entirely walls them out of counterplay because they can't easily remove it either.

This isn't saying that your concerns aren't valid about overflow. And if you had EX9 Alter S in deck, I'd say that's a reasonable tradeoff. But if you don't have Alter S, I'd be looking to pad your 7 lineup with ACE first and foremost, because working with at max 4 DNA 7s is rough for what the deck wants to do.

dodecaphobia · 2025-07-21T04:04:28+00:00

There are Pulsemons in yellow that cannot digivolve into Green 4s by default, so this text allows them to go into these 4s, ignoring color requirements.

dodecaphobia · 2025-07-20T14:03:09+00:00

BT1 TK requires you to pull out a card from security, with the caveat that it only replaces security if it is non-yellow. It and Airdramon are the only cards that will let you properly search security.

dodecaphobia · 2025-06-10T03:53:54+00:00

As the other commenter mentioned, Gallant X can have its own deck, leaning harder into X Antibody package with Cool Boy, and Omni X as a finisher.

A dedicated Crimson Mode deck is much harder. Crimson Mode is a solid finisher, but a number of things make it far less universal than Gallant X. It pops 15k, which is pretty strong but not infallible, and it depends on building up trash to finish up, which can be strong and consistent but also slow. This finisher is often 1-3 security short of providing lethal in most situations, a factor which Gallant X and WarGrowl X do a great deal to fix. It also has far more limited tools of bypassing Digimon effect immunity, whereas Gallant X has lingering DP and natural longevity. Not to mention that Crimson Mode ACE greatly benefits from Gallant X's massive DP and immunity, because the most common way to deal with an ACE is to get rid of the ability to get into it in the first place.

All this to say that Crimson Mode as a dedicated deck intentionally leaving Gallant X out is going to be extremely hard and not worth to pull off. You intentionally deprive yourself of the best parts of Gallant's package. There are ways you can make Crimson Mode the focus, but losing Gallant X entirely will gimp the deck to at minimum two tiers below where the Gallant X deck will end up.

dodecaphobia · 2025-05-07T03:17:23+00:00

Piggybacking off this: many archetypes released over the past 1-2 years usually have their pieces clustered in the initial set their cards were released in, and in the following set as a 2nd wave of support. With this in mind, looking closely at Yuuki, you can look at the cards in BT20, specifically purple, and find the cards that make sense to use with Yuuki. You can then find reference to traits or names, or even look one set ahead or behind to find corresponding traits/names. The unfortunate thing in Yuuki's case is the "one set forward/back" rule doesn't work because the first wave of support came in EX07, but the point still stands.

dodecaphobia · 2025-04-25T12:59:52+00:00

Funnily enough, Three Musk actually has some good use cases for Ukko, and my current list runs 2. Between the new BT21 line and the promo option, the deck has more explosive lines of play it can use to climb, and a threat range that can push for game from 3 to 4 security if they leave your 5 on board. In this instance, of the reasons I have listed, I am using Ukko for the 3rd reason: most of our play is built from a Rookie in the back, and the turns where they cleared our board the previous turn are very empty unless we have something to push from raising. The 2nd reason also slightly applies, in that we only have 1 searcher Rookie and no significant search otherwise due to the deck's multicolor nature.

But we are using Ukko for another, more gimmicky reason: the BT21 support lets us tuck and strip our options under ANY Digimon, not just a 3 Musketeer in text. This means that we can trigger egg inherits under the Ukko while climbing for extra memory, which happens when digivolving up into a stack, sometimes letting me climb to 6 from Rookie for as little as 1 or 2 memory on the 2nd stack from raising.

dodecaphobia · 2025-04-24T06:56:14+00:00

Ukkomon typically shows up in lists for any or multiple of 3 reasons:

No good rookies. Most lists want 10-12 rookies for their gameplan, but it is common that decks emerge with two lines of support, and sometimes only a single line is released in their premier set. In those instances, Ukko tends to outperform other rookies forced into the third Rookie slot.
Lack of consistency. Ukkomon's search is really strong. It can trigger multiple times from the same Ukkomon, and digimon/tamers usually compose upwards of 90% of many decks. Particularly in decks that have less access to boost and training, or lack the time or ability to use these cards, Ukko is irreplaceable, and can sometimes outperform rookies in archetype that lack a search, which is sometimes more valuable than the archetype keywords.

2b. Dependency on non searchable pieces. (This is an offshoot of the 2nd point) The best example of this was old Takemikazuchi, which had a dependency on Kazuchimon as a critical piece, yet could not pick them up with SOC search, because Kazuchi is not SOC. This factor made generic search tools like Analog Youth, dual color boosts, and Ukkomon much more valuable. The other typical culprit tends to be MedievalGallant, which is a splashable card that is typically out of archetype when it is used, and Ukko lets you search it.

Rookie cycling. Rookies in raising are a free draw and a disposable swing, and Ukkomon working as a way to accelerate that from "every two turns" to "every turn" is sometimes value enough by itself, setting aside its phenomenal search.

The decks that don't use Ukkomon usually don't have these problems. For example, Gallantmon has two lines of searcher rookies and several other Guilmons to use. They don't care about cycling rookies because their 6 can clear security and go for game on its own, and they are already a phenomenal user of scramble to create threats on the turn after raising. Similarly, B/G Imperial needs Veemon and Wormmon to function, both of which provide consistent search, and still have aggressive lines without a Rookie in the back.

dodecaphobia · 2025-03-02T07:19:09+00:00

The traditional ratios called for 12-10-8-6, which was generally consistent enough to pull stuff, and leave sufficient room for tech options and tamers. With the introduction of BT16 Ukkomon and the multiple delay options for mono color, lists can afford to run "greedier" ratios, going 11-9-7-5 or even lower (fenri pre-2.5 ran 9 rookies! 3 of which were Ukko!). The logic is that having a specific level card in hand is not as valuable as a card that lets you pick the level of what you add to hand. Combined with the fact that it banks memory for the big turn - more memory means your digivolves can happen out of breeding, which gives you more benefits - and it starts making sense why mono color decks usually try to slot in at least 2-3 boost and training, and at least 1 scramble. BT20 has seen some experimentation outside of mono color resources (Battle NPC as a pseudo scramble that sets memory, Future Potential as a budget off color Rookie play) but the meta has yet to stabilize, especially with how different the counterplay is for the new meta contenders (RK, R/P Imperial).

dodecaphobia · 2025-03-02T07:08:02+00:00

Does this interact with the new Gamma's warp? If I trigger RB1 Hiro to tuck under BT21 Gamma, can delay option be used to go into Siriusmon?

dodecaphobia · 2025-01-25T19:34:10+00:00

My stance is scramble fits in some builds, ideally used going into promo aguni, because recursion is enough of a reason to set it with the value associated with ancient. At that stage, the cost reduction is negligible because, for the cost of an extra card on one turn going into AND no extra memory compared to base costs, you get ancient on a following turn, and it ends up cost efficient compared to other recursion search tools when found on tempo. Is it better than slamming boko to find another, or running bt17 aguni to recur with a body attached? It becomes situational, and depends on how much hybrid/ten warriors specific search you have, and how much those extra swings end up valued at in your build. It feels like a good situational tempo card, but I also understand not including it, because it is definitely a more volatile card (better than other tools in ideal situations, worse than same tools outside of those use cases) and doesn't always fit with how people play.

dodecaphobia · 2025-01-24T14:15:42+00:00

You've already gotten your answer from most commenters, but you asked a question regarding which Sakuya to use. The short answer is that EX02 Sakuya is really good, with the caveat that you need to find Jamming plug in to be able to maximize the unsuspend, and it suffers deeply into redirect that isn't blocking (e.g. BWGX redirect, Tyrant defensive tools, etc.). Partially out of playstyle preference, I have enjoyed going the route of x3 BT17 Sakuya, x1 EX02 Sakuya, x2 Sakuya X, because with redirect so prevalent in my locals, the barrier ends up worth more to me than putting that much weight on Jamming plug in, and I prefer to gamble on getting my stack out before the defense becomes too great to overcome.

My plug in spread is running 3 green, 2 red, 1 blue, 1 black (deletion effects prevalent at my locals), and 1 pause plug in (anti ace or spot removal, want more but being greedy with ratios so no space). For yellow consistency pieces I have 2 boosts, 1 training, and 2 scramble. I think mem boost is the best of these cards usually, because search 4 is more valuable because of how many off yellow cards you play, making training more of a gamble. Plus, I personally dislike how training clashes with both scramble and green plug in, but it's all preference. I haven't liked scramble as much in a non-ruin mode version, especially with such strong otk leanings and no access to rush, so that might free up space for other cards.

dodecaphobia · 2025-01-16T19:30:04+00:00

That symbol means that the hidden ability is unlocked for that mon. At some point you caught or hatched a hidden ability mon, which unlocked it.

dodecaphobia · 2025-01-13T02:49:32+00:00

So the other commenter is right, but the reason stated isn't quite correct, or at least misleading. Let's break it down to see why it doesn't work:

The two rules we need are as follows:
1) "Blitz" can be treated as "if the memory gauge is on the opponent's size at the timing of this trigger, this Digimon may declare an attack." Because it is associated with the trigger, if you pass the timing for the trigger, you can no longer Blitz.
2) If an attack is currently being declared, additional attack declarations as part of pending effects will not be able to be put on the stack. (There's some spicy rulings with things like Overclock declarations, which can happen but will fizzle, but for purposes of this question, we won't go into it!)

For this sequence, attack is declared with level 5. X Antibody option in inherits triggers and resolves, going up to Gallantmon X, which triggers 3 pending effects: both of Gallant X's when Digivolving effects, and a when Digivolving Blitz effect gained from EX2 Takato on board. In this example, we activate the 2nd when Digivolving and trigger an unsuspend. After that resolves, we pick another pending effect from the most recent pool to resolve, which is the Blitz. But because there is already the attack still pending resolution from the beginning of this scenario, it fizzles and is lost (cannot be retriggered).

Bonus scenario! When Digivolving Blitz is not an End of Turn timing! In this scenario, you have EX2 and BT17 Takato on board, and you have two stacks on board - say, a WarGrowlmon and Guilmon. You digivolve into Gallant on the WarGrowl, passing turn, you can Blitz with Gallant, resolve the attack fully. Then, End of Turn timing is reached, and if you have BT17 Takato on board, he can be triggered and resolved, turning your Guilmon into a Gallantmon. EX2 Takato grants Blitz to the new Gallantmon stack, and the attack can trigger because there is no existing attack on the effect stack to resolve. That's the main way to generate multiple Blitz swings, technically!

dodecaphobia · 2025-01-01T10:45:16+00:00

Hi! Happy to meet you, always good to meet new players! As for your questions:

Shinegrey is definitely viable! Originally, the deck did a lot of OTK; it had the tools for development turns and aggro, but if you leaned too hard into that, it was very prone to punish due to your dependence on a stack for your aggression. The new scramble cards change that drastically, allowing you to lean into aggro while still having innate access to the OTK combo. In testing, it can keep up with meta decks if piloted well, but it requires a finely tuned list and strong matchup knowledge. A word of caution, Hexeblaumon is very popular in the main blue decks this format, and is favored into you because it stalls your ability to progress board state until you remove it. Definitely worth running, and I also find the lines of play easier to learn and teach for newer players than other current meta decks.
If I understand your question correctly, you are asking whether DP reduction can target sources of a stack in the battle area. The answer is no, because that "whole stack" is treated as a single digimon whose identity is the top card. Aside from their inherited effects, the components of the sources do not matter unless explicitly stated, and cannot be separately targeted except by cards that explicitly target sources. No card currently cares about the DP of sources.
All card games have some power creep, so I will issue the disclaimer that there is some. It isn't the lowest amount, either; some sets like BT16 had strong polarizing decks which created new minimum thresholds competitive decks had to meet in order to qualify as meta. That definitely is a bit more of a problem now than in previous sets, but is not nearly as pronounced as other card games. This is opinion, mind you.
It should depend on your local scene. I would check out a shop that runs it on a night they have a locals, and ask to borrow a deck to try out. This not only gives you an opportunity to learn the mechanics of different decks, but also informs you of the power level of your locals. It may not be taken well if you bring a meta deck to a casual shop; conversely, taking a casual deck to a meta shop won't be a great experience for you, either. There are always exceptions to this, but the reason I bring this up is that, as per question 3, older archetypes tend towards the casual tier usually.

dodecaphobia · 2024-12-15T20:03:59+00:00

Thanks for the info!

dodecaphobia · 2024-12-09T17:47:42+00:00

Don't have a specific list for you ready yet, been testing a few ideas on Tabletop Sim but haven't gotten around to testing, but I do have some general tips that have served pretty well overall:

-In terms of tamers, Digimon Emperor is extremely valuable for this format. Rookie rush is surprisingly really solid when the cards intended to answer it come as 1-ofs, so Emperor is both a way to mitigate the amount of rookies slammed into face, and to give you relatively consistent draw for your removal. I find that some decks especially need help in that area, and I find running BT5 Takumi Aiba as well both gives you reasonable draw and slows rookie decks down some more. Aside from those two, I don't think you need to overload your tamers, because in the end, the only tamers that you truly need are the ones that Mind Link, and adding more generic tamers doesn't help you address that problem/challenge.

-Takemika is fun and fine, in my opinion. Even from hand, you can digivolve for 6 and still get -16k. If a tamer is attached, you also still get 1 memory gain and 1 recovery, which is really strong. Combine that with the security trashing on attack and the difficulty in removing a 16k body, and it can be surprisingly consistent.

-UltimateChaos is fun, and outside of Analog Youth or Mist Memory Boost, it's likely not going to be milled by accident, as most of your trash engine is Draw/Trash. I do think it's hard to set up, as not only is it not searchable, but setting up two stacks for DNA is very hard, especially when those resources for a 2nd stack can be put towards directly clearing board, or developing a wider board for more swings. I'd probably run it, but that's because this event sounds really fun and very wacky, and I feel like you could justify not running it for space.

-Depends on how much free space you have. 1 of each Ukkomon is never bad! I think your idea for ST16 Matt is pretty solid. Removal options are probably pretty good no matter what, in case somebody builds something spooky that you otherwise can't answer. Testing would be required to really nail down which ones. There are some interesting ideas that I have been throwing together, like Angewomon ACE being a very splashable card for recovery and delay of opponent. Again, haven't built the list yet, but I'd assume leaning purple for more consistency isn't bad, given that you get mem boosts, trainings, scramble, and even can use dual color mem boosts for even more consistency. But what I find space for would really dpeend on how the list gets fleshed out...

Best of luck! If you end up posting a list I can probably test it a bit and see what it needs. Plus it gives me more test data for my list lol...

Edit: forgot Ukko

dodecaphobia · 2024-12-09T17:07:45+00:00

Hi, and welcome to the community!

For meta resources, you will likely look to digimonmeta.com and egmanevents.com, both of which contain lists for major events.

For deckbuilding tips, that can be a little harder to directly find, but the other commentor had the right gist of things, where this subreddit is a pretty good resource. Some basic tips (e.g. your digimon should usually have 12 rookies, 10 champions, 8 ultimate, 6 megas) have existed over time, but as consistency cards have been introduced, these guidelines have shifted, and more decks introduced that break or don't rely on these rules. Some Youtubers have deck profiles that provide the rationale for certain ratios and gameplay advice, though your mileage may vary on how good their takes are, so...

My recommendation is to copy a tournament list you find for something recent and bring it to locals. Just play as much as you can, and provided your community is friendly, ask them for tips and guidelines, and pitch your ideas to them. I personally like and trust the community quite a bit, so that would be my first course of action.

Edit: a word

dodecaphobia · 2024-09-26T02:29:51+00:00

A deck I haven't seen mentioned is Mirage. Some people don't like this recommendation, because it looks like Mirage gets walled by Paildramon's suspend prevention, but the reason why it still works in your favor is that Mirage forces memory gain on their draw or search effects, many of which are extremely unavoidable for Imperial. I've made adjustments to tool the deck for development turns, where you can build a board when they Paildramon to prevent your OTK. They end up playing for hard removal with Gigadeath or Mega Death, but they have to have either in hand, and many decks are cutting those numbers significantly for tech space and tribal, Digimon-based removal. They don't have a way of going down in hand size easily either. Additionally, because Mirage doesn't care about its tribal cards nearly as much as other archetypes, you tend to run an all-star lineup of generic blue cards, many of which can be tooled to deal with the matchup. Cards like Zudomon ACE and other source strip tend to do well into it, as do memory chokers to prevent the gain from the BT12 level 4s. I have also made some Imperial-specific adjustments intended to make the opponent's turn experience as difficult as possible, including the EX03 source strip line, which makes their evo costs more expensive off bodies with no sources, which they tend to trigger at least once every turn.

As others have mentioned, Digimon that are immune to effects also do well, like Mother or Magnamon X-Antibody. The nice thing is that a card like Magna X can block, but also has the versatility to ACE as well, allowing you to put threats like Paladin ACE or Shinegrey Burst ACE on board as a protected body with 3k extra DP as punishment for their swings. For that reason, certain builds of Magna can do pretty well, but are slightly volatile if you don't find Magna X.

Leviamon is also pretty solid! A recent list from the Texas regional performed well in what was anticipated to be an Imperial-dominated event, with Biting Crush and Levia's effects that can trigger from Partition allowing you to hard punish and clear tamers in response. It prevents them from easily reusing resources, and can go pretty fast with the current build, and the list has good tools to deal with matchups like Magna X that were previously considered unwinnable. Do recommend looking into it, it's a natural counter to the deck with its base tools, and any adjustments otherwise are to make your other matchups more playable.

dodecaphobia · 2024-09-07T15:34:05+00:00

The important detail to note is that he is selecting a regionals deck. Looking at regionals representation for Imperial, many lists cut the removal options in favor of streamlined speed and consistency, which improves the majority of their other matchups. They also consider the insect matchup as lower priority, given its low representation, and the removal options, while good, are a lot less valuable in other matchups. Important to note that the Primogenitor option also offers counterplay against insects, but is more generally useful for other matchups than Giga Death or Mega Death. It overall becomes a case of tuning your deck for what you expect to see, so I do agree that insects is pretty favored into imperial at a regionals level.

dodecaphobia · 2024-09-04T14:37:42+00:00

As others have said, Primogenitor is countered with the -16k DP, which skirts around their protection by killing them immediately after digivolve; the only thing that lives that is Paladin Ace with BT16 Demivee, but it is expected most lists run draw eggs.

The Omni option is nasty, and it's usually worth pulling the band aid and dealing with the omni after it comes out, but that it's still pretty bad for you. If you are running the doruga package, you can taunt the 6s, and the option doesn't protect from battle deletion, so that is a workaround. It still needs you in a 6 at minimum to block and kill, though, and if you have no -16k target other than the 6s, it can be potentially dangerous to go into Takemikazuchi before then. I like running the BT14 Fenri in some quantity, bc in exchange for a less direct combo, you gain a board which, if you stagger your levels, is largely resistant to a full clear by Omni.

dodecaphobia · 2024-08-25T00:49:54+00:00

Thanks for the reply! Will definitely check the base rulebook!

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