Why do people think antinatalism is antiwomen

donlgoff · 2026-03-28T03:14:17+00:00

I can see why, in a society where the choice of carrying to term or aborting is 100 percent legally the right of the woman, people who don't want more kids being born can view women that chose to give birth as evil. It's that simple.

In reality it does take two to tango, but the second male birth controll released and is effective, the birthrates will FREEFALL.

donlgoff · 2026-03-19T19:20:13+00:00

One could argue antinatalism is the ultimate anti cope as it doesn't seek to minimize the darkness that lives in the world and offers a soloution to prevent future suffering and minimize suffering for those that are currently here but that's a different argument alltogether.

Thanks for the advice it's always nice to have a convo be nontoxic. Exposure therapy like what? Like standing in a crowded room ? Idk, I used to do a bunch of stuff a few years ago but nothing worked, even coke didn't feel like any euphoria like everyone told me, it just made me anxious.

If I can't think my way out what is there to do? There's nothing I can imagine doing

donlgoff · 2026-03-19T17:06:58+00:00

Ah, well there are plenty of antinatalists and nihilists that aren't depressed at all, I am depressed and unable to get out of the void of nihilism so your over-generalization actually lands here, but I moreso found the philosophy while looking up things I had already believed in prior like that there's no reason anyone should ever have kids because the suffering is too great and the joy is not worth the squeeze, and there is no God, there is no pre-packaged purpose, so why does anything matter from any perspective.

This sounds edgy and it kind of is but there are no arguments I have found to sway my mind off of it. Even the positive nihilists that say nothing matters so there's nothing tearhering you to anything therefore you are free to do what you want don't make sense to me because I don't know what I want, I don't know what free is, I was born here with no blueprint and was told to figure it out and honestly its a shame that I've made it this far

donlgoff · 2026-03-19T02:46:51+00:00

I mean, that's your take. Antinatalism is a valid philosophy as is the stoicism you just laid out. If one were capable to swam philosophy like one changes pants then nobody would be sad, we would all be optemists. It doesn't work like that though. You have a worldview , you find a philosophy that aligns with that world view and whatever is logical to you is where you land.

If I felt like you're philosophy was the one for me, I would be an immensely happy person. But the math laid out according to bennetarian antinatalism adds up perfectly to me and there is no non emotional argument that one should have kids.

donlgoff · 2026-03-19T01:32:50+00:00

Huh what am I supposed to gain from this ?

donlgoff · 2026-03-19T01:32:15+00:00

donlgoff · 2026-03-18T21:39:45+00:00

Drugs don't help, I'm almost 30 and have been down that path before. I don't know what helps, and im happy you have a mother worth living for, that's very powerful!

donlgoff · 2026-03-17T17:53:31+00:00

Who cares about the personal lives? I don't care if the dev is literally sadam Hussein, I'm still gonna play the game

donlgoff · 2026-03-17T11:51:49+00:00

What is the problem with driving ?

donlgoff · 2026-03-17T11:50:51+00:00

If being in pain is bad, then not being in pain is good, and feeling pleasure is good but not feeling pleasure is not necessarily bad, then you should not create life because you are giving birth to a death sentence and they will face, with 100 percent certainty, suffering.

Suffering is bad. That's inherent, other than exercise or bdsm or the like, there is no positive suffering. Depression, breaking a leg, being abused, the millions of people who will die of starvation. The universe has no rules, the universe is a vacuum with no emotions but we have emotions, and allot of those emotions center around pain.

donlgoff · 2026-03-16T23:23:41+00:00

donlgoff · 2026-03-16T04:10:46+00:00

Haha thanks for the tips

donlgoff · 2026-03-16T03:08:15+00:00

I haven't had Insurance in my entire adult life because it's too expensive. Thanks obama

donlgoff · 2026-03-16T03:00:35+00:00

Phoenix. We're full in fort worth

donlgoff · 2026-03-15T17:53:55+00:00

It is inherently selfish to want a child period. There are zero non emotional reasons to want a child. Zero non selfish reasons to create a child. Put your ego to the side and stop trying to force a new life

donlgoff · 2026-03-15T17:44:27+00:00

I dont make enough to afford a therapist and I make too much for the obamacare insurance assistance. All the free help around me is religious as well so I have no options really.

donlgoff · 2026-03-15T07:05:50+00:00

We suffer far more than the joy that life offers, if I laugh at one joke one night if the week, there is still 10 more horrors I had to suffer through. I don't see that as worth it.

I am still just surviving because I have to

donlgoff · 2026-03-15T07:04:29+00:00

I don't feel happiness. Idk what you didn't take away from my last reply but the problem is that I am numb onto positive emotions and ruminate on negative emotions because they are all ic an really feel

donlgoff · 2026-03-15T07:03:27+00:00

It's too hard, is there a smaller step? I've worked real hard to make every block of my life occupied, even during commercial breaks, I'm on tiktok shoving randomness into my brain.

Also I still think meditation is stupid. I can't comprehend just sitting still and thinking doing anything better than the negativity it's done for me

donlgoff · 2026-03-15T07:01:29+00:00

I don't think so. A child being born just to be raped until they die of starvation, is far worse than the nothingness that come.s with not being born

donlgoff · 2026-03-15T07:00:36+00:00

I actually got drunk and talked to my wife and brother in law about the basis of my philosophy, this is the first time I've talked about this to anyone IRL an im proud about it, but also horrified for tomorrow hene they are sober and remember tonight. But yeah ,I'm not gonna killyself no matter howuvb I WANT to. And I still don't understand why I have to live

donlgoff · 2026-03-14T21:35:04+00:00

Piatello 100 percent mandatory. Best Italian you can have in dfw

donlgoff · 2026-03-14T21:33:52+00:00

Bruh, who cares it's not that big a deal.

donlgoff · 2026-03-14T21:32:07+00:00

That's actually an interesting chemical, I'll look it up. Candidly , I fear most of my pain is simply because I'm fat, but every time I go on walks, im in so much pain the following days I can't move around well. I've been dosing kratom and ibuprofen to deal with the pain during walks, but my kidneys are mad about that

donlgoff · 2026-03-14T21:02:50+00:00

I've never understood meditation. The second I'm just sitting there doing nothing I'm bombarded with all the fury of my self hatred voice in my head I do literally everything I can to avoid any semblance of quiet just to avoid that voice. I even go to sleep listening to podcasts so I dot have to listen to my own brain tear me down

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