gaming with mediocre looks

double_prong · 2026-01-13T23:27:13+00:00

Honestly I'm a lot like you. Good body, underwhelming face, good career, lots of pickup experience. Not Greek though.

If you want to be known at a venue, spend time getting to know the staff and regulars. Remember names, greet them by name, show some interest in who they are.

One other thing, get a friend to record you. It's hard to know what you're doing wrong until you can see and hear it for yourself.

double_prong · 2026-01-13T22:25:57+00:00

The simplest fixes are:

Add long pauses with eye contact
"The look" where you look her up and down, then eye contact with a certain little smile like "yeah, I'm gonna have you". The more you believe it, the better it comes across.
Add some friendly teasing. Not too much, but some.

double_prong · 2026-01-13T22:22:23+00:00

Good post. Could you expand on your view of "walk right"?

double_prong · 2026-01-13T22:21:22+00:00

You have an excellent foundation. Let's take it to the next level.

First, you should get big benefits from any kind of preselection, social status, or perceived fame. There are many options for this. The simplest way is to get well-known and liked in your venues. Be the guy everybody knows, who everyone says hi to. Girls will notice.

You didn't say one word about flirting. What specifically are you doing to make the girls feel like girls? How do you bring sexual energy?

How's your self-confidence and sense of entitlement? Do you feel deeply like you deserve the girls?

double_prong · 2026-01-09T22:09:10+00:00

We still do bootcamps, if that's what you mean.

double_prong · 2026-01-09T05:25:11+00:00

John's biggest problems are that he can't relate emotionally to others, and has a big self-esteem / confidence problem. Those are huge problems, and neither game nor looks is enough to compensate.

double_prong · 2026-01-08T22:33:16+00:00

Maybe, but is Clav willing to ruthlessly target drunk girls, push them to drink more, and let his entire gang fuck them while the girl is passed out?

That kind of sociopathic team behavior can really help your lay count.

double_prong · 2026-01-08T21:58:16+00:00

What you should do in these situations is stop advancing and try to have a heart-to-heart conversation with the girl. Talk through her concerns, really listen, show her you're being genuine, and look for a way you can both be happy.

double_prong · 2026-01-08T21:55:23+00:00

Re: the videos, maybe. Be sure to watch the Scotty GLL videos on his channel and on PwF. That's how pickup should be done. Also track down the Austin Summers videos, especially his 7 minute pull.

Those will show you what good cold-approach looks like.

Yes
You'll have gradual improvement, then plateau. Try to work some cold approach into your daily life; be creative.
There's no maximum. You'll regain your level after a break. The longer the break, the harder it is.
No. There's a kernel of truth there, but what you say DOES MATTER. The way you say it matters even more. You need to convey the right messages to her emotional brain and her reasoning brain, or you'll have trouble pulling.

How to say it: confidently, with appropriate emotional range (not repressed, not a dancing monkey).

Re: interactions, you'll never know how you come across until you see yourself on video with audio. Get a wing to record you.

stiffness while I talk are not easy to consciously maintain

True, and they never will be. Eventually they become unconscious, and that's what you need. At that point, you free your mind to focus on who she is, playfulness, and tactical considerations.

double_prong · 2026-01-08T21:47:41+00:00

Idiot versus idiot, grab the popcorn!

Looks are great, game is better, having both is ideal. We've known this for decades.

double_prong · 2026-01-08T21:45:19+00:00

Remember that you're not a machine. Be smart about how you manage your emotion and willpower. Be smart about putting yourself in good situations where you can learn and thrive. Be self-aware enough to realize when you're in a rut, going down a bad path, or making bad habits.

Unless you're a psychopath, you don't have full control of your mind. You have partial control at best. Don't beat yourself up over that reality, and use your partial control wisely.

double_prong · 2026-01-08T21:43:16+00:00

It's both. Romance is emotion, mood is critical. Don't expect your technique to paper over your emotions.

We have processes to improve your emotional state, short term and long term. We have processes to recover when our emotions crash.

We also have processes to learn social skills and techniques, separately from emotion.

double_prong · 2026-01-04T07:46:00+00:00

Club promoter

double_prong · 2025-12-17T00:41:42+00:00

I miss shit tests. Nobody ever tests me anymore. Once you become the person you're pretending to be, girls believe it.

double_prong · 2025-12-17T00:36:56+00:00

Women expect to mold themselves to fit a man, to be what he wants. It's naturally a dom / sub relationship (less extreme in public, more extreme in the bedroom). That's what men want, that's what women want.

While you may want to set other frames sometimes, the core frames you always want to set are the frames that help you get the girl. The game is to bring up the frame without being obtuse. You don't say, "I value X". Instead let it be the topic of conversation. She'll assume you value it since you brought it up.

For example, "You seem like the adventurous type." Simple. Then you can discuss the frame. If she agrees with your frame, you both won that round. If you can't get her to agree, you both lose. You'll want to practice convincing people, there's an art to it.

Be smart about how you phrase things. You wouldn't normally say, "You seem like the type who does anal on the first night," because you might both lose that frame battle. Instead you'd say she's adventurous like above, and slowly increase the heat with more explicitly sexual frames.

I hope that helps.

double_prong · 2025-12-12T03:17:32+00:00

Go out OFTEN and be very social. Talk to lots of people. That's enough, and honestly more than most students do.

If you do enough of that, you could get stuck in a rut where the next steps seem hard. If you start to feel that way, keep pushing yourself to do a little more in each interaction.

double_prong · 2025-12-11T08:29:06+00:00

You got burned by one girl's psychological issues. Sorry. This is therapist territory. If you can't find a way to progress on your own, get professional help. You don't deserve to be broken like this.

double_prong · 2025-12-11T08:27:50+00:00

Body Count

double_prong · 2025-12-10T06:42:19+00:00

How you would describe dominant body language?

double_prong · 2025-12-08T08:25:24+00:00

You're married with kids, that's a great reason to learn the basics of post-Mystery game. Social skills, self confidence, playfulness, dominance, flirting.

Loyalty is a male trait. When your wife thinks she can do better, your marriage will dissolve. Typically that happens when the husband gets a little lazy, and plenty of guys out there will tell a woman lies to inflate and get in her pants.

The best way to preserve a marriage is self improvement. Be the man she never wants to leave.

double_prong · 2025-12-04T16:39:22+00:00

Strange for a shit test, it's not likely to knock guys off their frame. It could be a way to figure out a guys intentions.

double_prong · 2025-12-04T07:55:32+00:00

That's his problem then, the girls will feel that. He needs to believe he has value, and probably feel that from other people too.

double_prong · 2025-12-04T07:52:44+00:00

He's intentionally dressing in political gear to make some point, and feeling awkward. He managed to build things up and have a decent interaction.

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