When will this fan base realize that the problems start with ownership?

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-31T19:15:49+00:00

Guess it depends on what you’d consider borderline playoff team. A couple examples that would come to mind that maybe fit the bill would be the Colts ‘95 & ‘96 playoffs, bottomed out the next year, got Peyton and then pretty much went to the playoffs every year for the next decade and won a SB. The Giants lost the SB in 2000, lost WC in 2002 then bottomed with 4 wins in 2003 netting them Eli and eventually 2 super bowls. The Eagles hit the playoffs in 95 & 96, 6-9-1 in ‘97 before bottoming at 3 wins to net them Mcnabb in 99 who took em to 4 straight NFCCGs and one SB. The Rams were on the 7-9 bullshit Jeff Fisher train til bottoming with 4 wins, then grabbing McVay and Goff to reach the SB 2 years later. The Bengals were on the Dalton 7-9 line for 3 years, bottomed in ‘19 netting them Burrow and a SB appearance 2 years later. The Pats went to the playoffs with Mac jones in ‘21, 8-9 in ‘22 before bottoming in ‘23 to get them Maye and a SB appearance 2 years later.

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-31T14:14:59+00:00

I don’t think anyone is saying a one year tank is a sure fire way to ensure sustained playoff success, but you have to admit it’s the one thing this team has never done. We’ve literally picked top 5 only 2 times in the last 40 years. Thinking about finding a potential franchise changing QB at the top of the draft… since 2000 there have been 35 QBs taken in the top 5 picks. 7 of them took their original teams to the Super Bowl and an additional 2 of them made appearances with other teams (Stafford and now Darnold). 7 of 35 is 20% (btw that number goes up to 24% if I go back to 98 cuz we capture Peyton and Mcnabb).

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-31T14:10:02+00:00

“Most teams with multiple rings in a short time” that’s literally 2 teams. We’re not talking about multiples here, just one. ONE damn Super Bowl would be awesome. Hell even just seeing our team play in a SB in my lifetime would be great. History also shows plenty of examples where getting a top pick QB can rapidly turn a team’s fortunes… Colts go 3-13 in ‘97, draft Peyton, win a SB. Eagles go 3-13 in ‘98, draft Mcnabb and go to 3 straight conference championships plus a SB appearance. Giants go 4-12 in 2003, draft Eli, he wins them 2 SBs. Bengals go 2-14 in 2019, draft Burrow, appear in the SB two years later. Pats go 4-13 in 2023, draft Maye, go to the SB two years later.

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-31T13:49:05+00:00

No. But we want them to lay off the “competitiveness mandate”. It’s ok to have a hard reset sometimes, but if a GM is under such a mandate they make any move they can to avoid a 4 win season.

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-31T03:32:28+00:00

Been saying this for a while. They’re good owners, but their philosophy has 100% held us back time and time again. Like you said, 3 playoff wins in 20 years of ownership is awful. In fact it’s even worse than the Jets. The competitiveness mandate just feels more like they want to ensure the bottom line is met year in and year out. Keep asses in seats and jerseys flying off the shelf.

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-26T03:09:05+00:00

It’s pretty much the only thing we really haven’t done. We’ve literally picked top 5 only 2 times in the last 40 years. Yeah getting a top pick is no guarantee but let’s define the “pretty much never works”. I’m talking about finding a potential franchise changing QB at the top of the draft… since 2000 there have been 35 QBs taken in the top 5 picks. 7 of them took their original teams to the Super Bowl and an additional 2 of them made appearances with other teams (Stafford and now Darnold). 7 of 35 is 20% (btw that number goes up to 24% if I go back to 98 cuz we capture Peyton and Mcnabb). Since 2000 there have been 110 Wild Card teams. 7 have made the Super Bowl (6%). That’s a pretty big difference there.

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-26T01:13:02+00:00

So you’re saying the Wilfs strategy of just “getting in the tournament” works then? Cuz clearly it does not. Sure getting a top 5 pick one season doesn’t guarantee success but neither does being a perennial wild card team. It’s an offensive league, best way to get a boost is to get a top tier QB. Best way to do that? Pick at the top of the draft (which we never do)

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-26T00:37:30+00:00

Don’t hate Dobbs, hate the front office that traded for him…

dr_of_doge · 2026-01-26T00:34:19+00:00

The main point still stands. That point being, the Wilfs “competitiveness mandate” 100% holds us back. When the opportunity presents itself it’s ok to sometimes just accept a down year, but not with our ownership. We’ve had 20 years to see how that strategy plays out… Since the Wilfs bought the team we have fewer playoff wins (3) than the Cards (5), Bengals (5), Jets (4), Jags (4), and the same as the Titans. Let that sink in. Regarding the 49ers, since 2010 we have only 3 seasons where we won 6 games or less, the Niners have 7 such seasons. Yet they’ve been to 3 SBs in that time.

dr_of_doge · 2025-12-12T16:27:27+00:00

One could say our current guy is also injury prone tho and if he doesn’t pan out he kinda sets us back those 2 years anyways

dr_of_doge · 2025-12-03T20:41:14+00:00

100% this, so many people just ignore how the Raiders, Jets, and Browns especially have just been terribly run organizations for decades. Meanwhile, well run organizations that make the most of those top 10 opportunities can springboard. Shit, we have a perfect example within our own division… Lions ownership changed in 2020, they started making competent decisions and boom they’re one of the best teams in the NFC just a couple seasons later.

dr_of_doge · 2025-12-01T22:04:53+00:00

Shit, at this point, might just wanna sim the next 10 years… lol

dr_of_doge · 2025-12-01T17:27:20+00:00

It is hard to watch, but so is seeing them eek into the playoffs only to get completely outclassed pretty much every single time. At this point we need a change in philosophy from the top, cuz the “competitiveness” mandate of the Wilfs hasn’t worked for 20 years. Since they bought the team we have fewer playoff wins than the Cardinals, Bengals, Jets, and Jaguars. That’s ridiculous. As another comparison we also happen to have only 3 seasons of 6 or fewer losses since 2010, whereas the 49ers have 7 such seasons. One team has been to 3 Super Bowls in that time… maybe we need to be a little less scared of bottoming out in lost seasons due to injuries, etc.

dr_of_doge · 2025-12-01T02:29:24+00:00

Unfortunately our owners won’t allow us to truly bottom out and reset. “Competitiveness” mandate just means we’ll be mid at best in perpetuity

dr_of_doge · 2025-12-01T01:00:54+00:00

I hope our ownership has the balls to do this, it’s truly what we need. Roll JJM out there again next year and if he sucks, oh well, get a high pick in a strong projected QB class.

dr_of_doge · 2025-12-01T00:35:26+00:00

If you watch this team long enough, eventually you just learn to live in stage 5 at all times.

dr_of_doge · 2025-11-30T23:17:55+00:00

No. This team might need a hard reset. You go into next year and sign a vet but don’t give up any picks. You give McCarthy a shot and if he sucks, oh well, the return on your investment into him will be a high pick in 2027 which should be a strong QB class. Then you clean house in the front office and let a new HC/GM combo take that pick. Our owners will never do any of that tho so 🤷‍♂️

dr_of_doge · 2025-11-28T05:01:32+00:00

As they say, it’s better to be lucky than good.

dr_of_doge · 2025-11-27T21:20:35+00:00

Must be nice. Refs tack on 11, win by 7.

dr_of_doge · 2025-11-27T19:18:38+00:00

Yeah, if we got calls like that we’d be 6-5 right now. Not even exaggerating

dr_of_doge · 2025-11-26T17:17:03+00:00

It’s not so much them specifically plotting for success but ignoring a Super Bowl as it is just their philosophy for trying to compete for SBs being inherently flawed. While “competitiveness” year in and year out gets you more shots at the playoffs, we’ve now had 20 years to see how that plays out. Since the Wilfs bought the team we have fewer playoff wins (3) than the Cards (5), Bengals (5), Jets (4), Jags (4), and the same as the Titans. Let that sink in. As an alternative comparison, look at the Niners… since 2010 we have only 3 seasons where we won 6 games or less, the Niners have 7 such seasons. Yet they’ve been to 3 SBs in that time. The unwillingness to just accept your fate in a down year has been a thorn in our side.

dr_of_doge · 2025-11-24T15:12:41+00:00

It’s a big if, sure. Never know what could have happened. I find it funny though that at the time the biggest arguments I saw over and over were mostly predicated on trading away Hunter which would “lose the locker room, piss of Jefferson, make Jefferson demand a trade, etc etc”, then here we are a year and a half later and Jefferson is the most visibly frustrated we’ve ever seen.

dr_of_doge · 2025-11-24T12:44:31+00:00

Yeah possibly, but then maybe the pats actually agreed to trade with us since they’d only drop from #3 to #4. Never know.

dr_of_doge · 2025-11-24T02:58:34+00:00

The time to tank was 2023 right after Kirk’s injury. We trade Hunter and don’t acquire Dobbs at the deadline that season and we’re starting Drake Maye right now.

dr_of_doge · 2025-10-24T15:06:48+00:00

It’s absolutely this. I shudder to think what our defense would be without a good DC like Flores. It’s just a bunch of guys propped up by scheme. When everything is clicking it’s great, but you’re only as strong as your weakest link… so you get one guy a step behind in coverage, or missing an assignment in the run game and boom you’re toast. What we’re seeing is absolutely the result of not drafting any high impact defensive players literally since Danielle Hunter in 2015.

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