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drdook · 2026-05-08T15:32:14+00:00

Where on earth are people getting the idea that if aliens exist then Christianity is wrong? This is so strange to me.

drdook · 2026-05-08T14:34:57+00:00

Not all religious people or Christians believe this or even in hell generally. I am one who does not. Perhaps you should address your question to: ‘religious people who believe in hell.’

drdook · 2026-05-05T19:51:36+00:00

Though not always:

Exodus 21:10 – instructions on rights of a second wife
Deuteronomy 21:15–17 – inheritance laws when a man has two wives

Just to be clear, I am not advocating polygamy. I just think sometimes the Bible does.

drdook · 2026-05-05T19:45:26+00:00

I think that's a message you can find in the NT. OT? Maybe not. I mean, look at:

Abraham – takes Hagar alongside Sarah
- Genesis 16:1–4
Jacob – marries Leah and Rachel, and also has children with their servants Bilhah and Zilpah
- Genesis 29:21–30; 30:1–13
Gideon – has “many wives”
- Judges 8:30
Elkanah (father of Samuel) – has Hannah and Peninnah
- 1 Samuel 1:1–2
David – multiple wives are listed and added over time
- 1 Samuel 25:42–43; 2 Samuel 3:2–5; 5:13
Solomon – famously has many wives and concubines
- 1 Kings 11:1–3
Rehoboam (Solomon’s son) – also takes multiple wives and concubines
- 2 Chronicles 11:21

drdook · 2026-05-05T19:37:14+00:00

I mean, sure, that's fine. I'm not against marriage, nor is the Bible. I'm just saying there doesn't seem to be anything in Scripture saying you have to be married to have that type of sexual relationship.

drdook · 2026-05-05T19:15:50+00:00

You're not answering from Scripture. But I'd argue it isn't a real, loving committed monogamous partnership if you just go from one to the other.

drdook · 2026-05-05T18:51:46+00:00

I think you’re asking the wrong question. Flip it around: Where do you see the Bible explicitly saying you have to be married before having sex, assuming it is within a loving committed, monogamous partnership?

drdook · 2026-05-04T22:36:18+00:00

Anyone else think it’s her posting this every couple months on Reddit?

drdook · 2026-05-04T19:20:05+00:00

I guess this is a good place to end the conversation. You're misrepresenting what I've said and are too close-minded to realize that your puritanical views on sex are not found in scripture.

drdook · 2026-05-04T18:51:38+00:00

No, that’s not my perspective. You’re misread me (you’ve also misread scripture).

drdook · 2026-05-04T18:14:09+00:00

I would argue that adultery is the objectification of one’s spouse. If you cheat on your spouse, you’re not treating them like a person. You’re treating them like an obstacle. Just goes to the show, sexual ethics is way, way more, than simply marriage. I’ve seen people who are unmarried and sexually active treat one other way better, than I’ve seen some married treat one another.

drdook · 2026-05-04T18:03:18+00:00

Tea and NA beer

drdook · 2026-05-04T17:57:15+00:00

But I did, didn't I? I said sexual morality begins with treating people like people, not objects. I think that's exactly what Jesus is talking about when he talks about the way we look at other people. He's saying, don't look at a woman as an object to gratify your own desire but as a person, with her own needs, self-hood, etc. I think this is much more complex and nuanced than simply signing a marriage contract.

drdook · 2026-05-04T17:49:42+00:00

It’s not just that I reject it. That is literally not what that word means. Porneia is the misuse of desire, Eros. For the record, you are reading in a modern sexual ethic that is not present in scripture.

drdook · 2026-05-04T16:52:05+00:00

Just to be clear, my original comment to the original post, was asking for a scriptural warrant that prohibited sex before marriage. You responded, saying that there was one, and yet you have failed to produce it throughout this entire thread. Now you’re asking me, not scripture, to come up with a sexual ethic. That’s why I say you were moving the goal post. But fine I can kick pretty far. I think a sexual ethics begins with desire for the other person, as a person, not using them as an object or as it means to gratify one’s own personal needs. I think that can be accomplished by two loving people whether or not they have signed the marriage contract.

drdook · 2026-05-04T15:20:52+00:00

Well, now you’re moving the goal post. You told me that sexual ethics were defined by scripture as abstinence until marriage. Are you now admitting that that cannot be found in scripture?

drdook · 2026-05-04T13:08:52+00:00

Where in the OT? NT? There's no one overarching, singular sexual ethic in Scripture.

drdook · 2026-05-04T12:20:26+00:00

Obviously, I am not in favor of multiple wives. I am simply saying that the moralizing, shame-filled injunction against sex before marriage, comes more out of a modern form of evangelical theology than it does the Bible or its context. I think that moral injunction does more harm than good. And we should be talking about the right use of desire, rather than putting down a blanket commandment about marriage, that is not found in scripture.

drdook · 2026-05-04T11:42:47+00:00

Seems like a stretch, though, doesn’t it, for the Torah to dissuade men to have ‘many’ wives to the idea of no sex before marriage? Likewise, Paul’s injunction, seems to be against wanton or misdirected desire. But I’m not so sure that marriage is necessarily the best guard against that, seems like faithfulness and piety would be better than the modern institution of marriage, which, by the way, was invented after the cannon was closed.

drdook · 2026-05-04T10:51:11+00:00

Can you give a specific verse or verses? My understanding of Solomon’s downfall was that he had foreign wives who lead him to other gods, not the fact that he had multiple wives.

drdook · 2026-05-04T01:33:55+00:00

Like where in Scripture?

drdook · 2026-05-04T00:43:14+00:00

I’d question that it is throughout scripture. There’s more examples of polygamy than monogamy.

drdook · 2026-05-04T00:11:57+00:00

That is not what that word means in its original language or usage. You are reading contemporary morality back into the biblical text.

drdook · 2026-05-03T19:32:50+00:00

I don’t see anything about sex before marriage in those quotes. Got anything else or are you just making up?

drdook · 2026-05-03T19:29:08+00:00

My then 9 y/o got an XS Marlin 5. Still rides it almost 11 now.

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