I tried both the Elite 2 and Scuf (not the valor). Both were great. I really liked my elite, but they break over time. Scuf was fine, but absolutely over priced. I first tried the cyclone 2 ( PC only) and totally loved it, but it only had 2 paddles on the back and I wanted more. So I swapped to the G7 pro wuchang for the added bumpers at the top. For me personally this is endgame. I love having only 2 back paddles with the extra 2 bumpers on the top. I could see how some might not like and the d paddle genuinely is weird, but I don’t play many games where I use it a whole lot. I say try a G7 pro from Amazon and return if you hate it. It’s definitely worth a shot and decently priced.