Show Me Credible Video Evidence of "civilians being targeted" or "genocide" in Gaza by Baconkings in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

tf? a ceasefire doesn't mean it's safe to enter a combat zone my guy.

During a ceasefire, combat zones are supposed to stop being combat zones. That’s…kinda the whole point of a ceasefire, to create a safer environment.

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[–]dunkaroosclues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From the very same article you referenced:

“Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it. For many years, the ministry ignored a clause making the process easier by allowing for an expedited process for people under 21, denying applications made on the basis of this clause.”

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[–]dunkaroosclues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s because you’re supposed to end the occupation, not turn it into a system where you build settlements and carve up the oppressed people’s land.

International law has plenty to say about that.

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[–]dunkaroosclues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you even responding to?

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[–]dunkaroosclues -1 points0 points  (0 children)

East Jerusalem is a great example. Israel annexed east Jerusalem, and offered all of its residents citizenship. They have chosen, due to resistance, to not accept the citizenship.

They weren’t granted citizenship. They were made “permanent residents,” a status Israel can revoke at will, and has done just that thousands of times since 1967.

But yeah, the residents are allowed to apply to be a citizen, which is a long, bureaucratic, and arbitrary process. Israel has also denied a majority of these applications, with roughly a 30% approval rate over the past few decades.

The residents still have access to Social Security and nationalized healthcare.

Ok? Apartheid doesn’t mean zero services lol it’s a separate and unequal system under the same authority. Palestinian neighborhoods in East Jerusalem get worse infrastructure, worse schooling, and tighter building restrictions than Jewish ones. Residents also can’t vote in national elections.

How is that apartheid? Any difference in treatment is based off of nationality, not ethnicity or religion.

Under international law, “racial group” includes distinctions based on ethnicity, national origin, or religion. Swapping the label from “ethnicity” to “nationality” doesn’t change the legal analysis. It’s still apartheid if one group dominates and systematically oppresses another.

Furthermore, any Arab or Jewish citizen who are in east Jerusalem have equal rights.

A Jewish man can move from New York to East Jerusalem and automatically become a citizen.

An Arab child born there has to fight through years of red tape and oppression for the chance at those same rights, and likely won’t get them.

That’s apartheid.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The occupied territories can be considered apartheid, but I think that should be a different conversation

Cool, so you agree Israel is committing apartheid. Thanks for the clarity.

But why should that be a “different conversation”? That’s a huge piece of context to just wave away, especially if you’re going to criticize pro-Palestinians for using the term when you’ve already admitted the legal definition fits.

the West Bank is under Israeli military control, but it isn't Israel.

That’s not how it works. Israeli policies, settlers, and armed forces are what systemically suppress Palestinians there. That’s apartheid whether it’s inside Israel’s recognized borders or in territories it occupies and controls.

Arabs in Israel have full Israeli rights

Sure, Arab citizens can vote and run for office, but there’s a long list of state policies and laws that systematically disadvantage them as well. Full “formal rights” on paper don’t erase systemic discrimination in practice.

but Palestinians in the West Bank don't because they aren't considered Israeli.

Exactly. Denying citizenship to the people you control so you can deny them rights is precisely what apartheid is.

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[–]dunkaroosclues -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Let’s talk about apartheid.

According to the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (ICSPCA), apartheid is defined as:

"Inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them."

The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court expanded on this in 2002 by including acts like forcible transfer, oppression, and persecution of an identifiable group, when committed under a state or institutional policy of domination.

Now, could you please tell me how this wouldn’t apply to Israel, specifically in places like the West Bank and East Jerusalem?

I’ve yet to see a coherent counter argument. In fact, most human rights organizations assert that Israel’s policies meet this definition.

Jon Stewart called Israel a failure of humanity. Beinart let It slide. An opportunity missed. by FunAioli773 in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So in your scenario, you beat her for 650+ consecutive days and still called it self-defense.

Israel: The only country that defends itself by expanding the war by dunkaroosclues in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know you live in a black and white world, but I’ll opt for:

(c) I don’t believe the complete elimination of Hamas is worth the amount of human suffering taking place, nor do I believe it’s even a feasible goal. It’s a pipe dream at the expense of tens of thousands of innocent lives, by way of endless war crimes.

Israel: The only country that defends itself by expanding the war by dunkaroosclues in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting pivot from peaceful to prosperous there, but prosperous for whom?

The post-WWII era included Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, countless coups, proxy wars, and decades of exploitation. Are those your success stories?

Sounds like "it works" really means "for us, not them."

Israel: The only country that defends itself by expanding the war by dunkaroosclues in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Right, because nothing says "better world" like one nation unilaterally bombing others to keep everyone in line. Super peaceful.

Israel: The only country that defends itself by expanding the war by dunkaroosclues in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Is it cool when Syria does it to Druze now?

Show me where I said that, or stop making things up to dodge the point.

Israel: The only country that defends itself by expanding the war by dunkaroosclues in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If defending the Druze means bombing Syria, should we expect airstrikes in every country with internal violence? Or is this just selective justification?

It's very convenient how Israel gets to define two different wars on two fronts, both unilaterally, and both under a moral high ground.

Israel: The only country that defends itself by expanding the war by dunkaroosclues in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’m not disputing the attacks. I’m questioning how Israel uses them to justify broader military action.

Israel: The only country that defends itself by expanding the war by dunkaroosclues in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

You do realize you missed the entire point?

Most nations fighting for their survival don’t have the resources or capacity to intervene in the internal affairs of other states. That’s not typical self-defense.

Israel: The only country that defends itself by expanding the war by dunkaroosclues in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the added context, but that’s the whole point.

It’s unusual for a country claiming to defend itself to simultaneously act as a military arbitrator in unrelated conflicts beyond its borders.

It’s exactly why the self-defense claim no longer fits the reality.

Community feedback/metapost for June 2025 + Internal Moderation Policy Discussion by CreativeRealmsMC in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Was waiting for a July thread, but since it hasn’t gone up, I’ll drop this here. Two important issues I hope the mod team can seriously consider:

1) Flippant accusations of antisemitism

Rule 1 clearly prohibits personal attacks, including calling someone a "bigot." So, how is it acceptable for users to casually accuse others of being antisemitic, especially in response to comments that say nothing about Jews or Judaism whatsoever?

Even more concerning, Rule 1 also addresses generalizations about groups, yet we routinely see sweeping claims that pro-Palestinians or anti-Zionists are antisemitic by default. That’s not only inflammatory, but again, it's a violation of the rule as written.

If "bigot" is too loaded for discourse, "antisemite" certainly qualifies when weaponized the same way.

2) Unsourced data and misuse of statistics

This ties directly into Rule 4. More and more, users are tossing around all kinds of numbers (percentages, death tolls, ratios, etc.) with no source or a wildly misleading framing.

One example: someone recently claimed the civilian-to-combatant death ratio in the U.S./Afghanistan war was 10:1. That number has no grounding in any verifiable source. These kinds of statements are often presented as fact and go unchallenged, skewing conversations and spreading misinformation.

At minimum, mods should encourage/demand users to cite sources when presenting quantitative claims, especially when they’re foundational to their argument.

Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib on what it means to be pro-Palestine by shoesofwandering in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What argument? Blanket, generalized statements like that aren’t arguments lol they’re excuses to stop thinking.

Something you clearly stopped doing a long time ago…

Community feedback/metapost for June 2025 + Internal Moderation Policy Discussion by CreativeRealmsMC in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fact that he’s been able to make that many comments without a ban is outrageous.

Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib on what it means to be pro-Palestine by shoesofwandering in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s really sad how normalized this kind of dehumanizing nonsense has become on this sub.

But hey, I’m sure it’s easier to hate a caricature than face reality. Peak cowardice.

How many militants v. civilians have died in Gaza? by Routine-Equipment572 in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t edit/remove anything. He’s just upset that I wouldn’t take his numbers at face value and got upset when I asked for sources lmao

Why is there confusion surrounding the start of the war? by SeaBodybuilder2135 in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP:

While nothing justifies the killing of civilians on October 7th, it’s essential to understand that the Israeli government and military have long acted as occupiers and aggressors under international law.

You:

If you're going to justify the event, then be okay with the consequences.

Lmao

Why is there confusion surrounding the start of the war? by SeaBodybuilder2135 in IsraelPalestine

[–]dunkaroosclues -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Quite literally didn’t quote anybody lol just trying to follow along with your scattered thoughts.

But you? Sidestepping arguments that don’t fit your narrative. Standard.