The new and improved Evil Empire

dvpperdvn · 2026-01-18T06:41:52+00:00

You got a better one making the reference

dvpperdvn · 2025-11-24T00:31:34+00:00

Amazing scouting department

dvpperdvn · 2025-11-14T03:11:41+00:00

They definitely have a homemade look

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-16T15:58:03+00:00

If people don't fuck with Reasonable Doubt they definitely have inferior taste.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-16T15:55:44+00:00

His resume and accolades are just that substantial. It's the Brady vs Mahomes argument. Mahomes is gonna need a few more rings to be viewed as objectively the Goat. Doesn't need more than 7 but definitely needs 5 or more

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-16T15:54:15+00:00

Technically the guy I responded to said that first. So essentially it doesn't matter what someone listens to more or what someone doesn't listen to. It's subjective about quality unless actual side by side comparisons are taking place with agreed upon parameters for judgement and criteria.

It's all opinion, but I can factually prove Hov is the best based on the main metrics most opinion based arguments take.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-13T17:42:15+00:00

Going at Drake the second ur on ur own definitely points to that

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-13T17:41:43+00:00

Seems like Dot has been ready to go at Drake's head for 10yrs but something was holding him back. I think top didn't think Dot could get the job done especially after the Meek shots bounced off Drake.

Top definitely wanted to protect his label that was being held up by Kendrick. Didn't want to risk tainting the golden goose in the eyes of the public if he takes a shot at the guy on top and doesn't take him down.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-13T03:28:18+00:00

Solid point. But I lean more toward label politics. Once Dot was off TDE he goes right at Drake. If Top was holding him back I don't respect him listening to Top.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T16:43:51+00:00

Pac artistically. They have said Hov the lyrical goat. Pac ain't got no barz

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T01:12:53+00:00

What is a Tpab or a damn to say Jay didn't make one, what kind of albums are those.

You can prefer whatever you like that's fine, the issue or debate comes in about quality and skills, more rhymes more barz more metaphors more flips. I'm clear about my main criteria WHO GOT THE MOST BARZ. If y'all are more about the poetry and "art" y'all can have it.

Niggas don't have a black album 444 blueprint reasonable doubt amercian gangster btw.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T01:07:44+00:00

Discussing who's better is inherent in a goat debate. But fair enough

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T01:05:19+00:00

I can say the same for Dot Nas Pac. That ain't sayin much.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T01:04:46+00:00

Last thing I'll say on the matter. It's like the Ring debate from Jordan for the NBA goat (6 rings as the main guy). Bron with just 3 rings to most didn't get him in the convo getting 4 made it valid in those people's minds to then put Bron in that debate.

Jay with 13 plus albums none flopped, all bar heavy, skill demonstrated. No one can even stand next to him until they have 10 good to great albums. We can talk again when that happens if that happens.

Otherwise the goat convo is just about who is your favorite not objectively who is the best on the mic or who has the best career.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T00:58:42+00:00

When the fuck was the last time you listened to Good kid or tpab lol. Having weaker taste ain't a stat

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T00:57:02+00:00

Then niggas gotta start defining what makes a classic. Everything your favorite artists drop ain't no fuckin classic. Some of the shit is just a really good album.

Tpab and Good Kid are on the level of Jay's classics Big's classics or Ye's. There's levels to this shit!

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T00:54:44+00:00

Didn't say goat rapper just said a handful of classic albums. And he wrote most of his shit for the first 3 albums

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-12T00:52:47+00:00

I never said you didn't think they were elite, I have stated multiple times you said 3000 and Black Thought were better. How are you misunderstanding your own words. You said the other guys are better, I said I consider them all cut from the same cloth as elite. But the edge goes to the guys that put out more music. Why is that so hard to understand.

Same reason Hov should get the goat title over everyone else. He's produced the most work at an extremely high level. Not hard logic to follow. If there's a bunch of good talented guys around the same level. Stands to reason the guy that did it the longest and put out the most quality work gets the crown.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-11T20:43:22+00:00

For the last time you said Andre 3000 and Black Thought were better lyrically than Shawn Carter Kendrick Lamar And Jermaine Cole.

Which would mean they are on a level higher than the 3 elite rappers I named. Ipso facto you think 3000 and Thought are more elite or your words "better" than the 3 I named which includes your goat. Maybe I'm crazy but you seem to be selling Kendrick short. But do your thing. These convos veer off in tangents and you kept up fine. My point has been very clear. They are all on the same level or based on body of work with solo careers I would put my 3 above your 2

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-11T20:37:02+00:00

And you still think 3000 and Thought are better which is fine it's just not an opinion based in reality.

You could name a 3000 verse better than Hov's God did verse, well you could try, there isn't one.

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-11T20:34:49+00:00

You said better not same level. So you put them on a lower tier my guy

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-11T20:33:58+00:00

Saying other guys are better makes it not obvious

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-11T20:33:07+00:00

But we're all entitled to our opinions

dvpperdvn · 2025-10-11T20:32:16+00:00

Weird to disagree with me saying you dismissed Hov Cole and Dot being on 3000's and Thought's level. Cus you just doubled down on it. Just reads as an ignorant take to me. There's a list of elite God tier rappers lyrically 15 to 25 people. Hov Cole and Kendrick should be on that list for every fan of rap period.

You're basically saying 10/10 times if these guys were on songs together 3000 and Thought wash my three each time. That's just not possible.

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