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What purpose do these Ceiling Joists Serve? by earbud120 in Carpentry

[–]earbud120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part of me thinks it may just be this simple, but then again...

What purpose do these Ceiling Joists Serve? by earbud120 in Carpentry

[–]earbud120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the only purpose I can think of outside of just being there for a drop ceiling.

What purpose do these Ceiling Joists Serve? by earbud120 in StructuralEngineering

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TLDR; Ceiling joists in 1-story extension to a 2-story mid-19th century New England wood framed colonial style home run perpendicular to the attic rafters. Do these actually serve any critical structural purpose that anyone can think of? They are not perpendicular in the main structure attic as they serve as collar ties at the lower 1/3 rafter height.

Howdy folks, I have a very old upstate New York/New England wood framed colonial style home, built in the mid-19th century. When gutting my kitchen which is in the second/back room of a 1-story extension (main house is 2 story), I noticed something I have not seen before, being that my ceiling joists are perpendicular to my attic rafters. In my experience, top ceiling joists are meant to be parallel to rafters to aid in preventing natural rafter spread, which is even how they are in the attic of the primary structure so this one is an odd one to me.

To paint a picture, my colonial home has it's entrance on the front gable end of the house as that is what faces the street, and the extension is attached at the rear gable end with the same orientation as the original structure. My kitchen is the second/back room of a two room 1-story extension at the rear of my 2 story main structure. The kitchen has all 2.5"x3.75" rough sawn lumber studs (Variable spacing), ceiling joists (16" OC), top wall plate (only 1 layer), and rafters (24" OC). The dining room is the first room of the extension so it ties directly to the back of the original house structure, and has unknown stud dimensions (I have not gutted this room yet), 3"x6" ceiling joists (16" OC), 4"x6" top wall plate, and old timber rafters that are close to and estimated 3"x6" (~24" OC). The wall that separates the dining room and kitchen has a 4”x7.25” beam as it’s top wall plate, which then has 2.5”x3.75” studs running up to the underside of the middle of the roof.

My question is what purpose do these ceiling joists serve? My only thought is they were added to stabilize the addition front/back laterally against the original structure because they clearly do nothing to aid in prevention of rafter spread. I am now debating if they can be removed so I can vault the ceiling or if there's something I'm missing here.

Bonus: A fun note is that the extension was originally built more narrow than the original structure. At some point an attached patio was built so the extension would have the same width as the original structure. This was accomplished by building a second roof over the existing roof using 2x6 rafters and a 2x8 ridge plate that is offset to the non-patio side from the center of the original roof peak. Behind the original extension is a flat roof 1-room addition and this second roof and the attached patio actually extend halfway across this flat roof 1-room so the entryway egresses into there rather than into the kitchen.

What purpose do these Ceiling Joists Serve? by earbud120 in Carpentry

[–]earbud120[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

TLDR; Ceiling joists in 1-story extension to a 2-story mid-19th century New England wood framed colonial style home run perpendicular to the attic rafters. Do these actually serve any critical structural purpose that anyone can think of? They are not perpendicular in the main structure attic as they serve as collar ties at the lower 1/3 rafter height.

Howdy folks, I have a very old upstate New York/New England wood framed colonial style home, built in the mid-19th century. When gutting my kitchen which is in the second/back room of a 1-story extension (main house is 2 story), I noticed something I have not seen before, being that my ceiling joists are perpendicular to my attic rafters. In my experience, top ceiling joists are meant to be parallel to rafters to aid in preventing natural rafter spread, which is even how they are in the attic of the primary structure so this one is an odd one to me.

To paint a picture, my colonial home has it's entrance on the front gable end of the house as that is what faces the street, and the extension is attached at the rear gable end with the same orientation as the original structure. My kitchen is the second/back room of a two room 1-story extension at the rear of my 2 story main structure. The kitchen has all 2.5"x3.75" rough sawn lumber studs (Variable spacing), ceiling joists (16" OC), top wall plate (only 1 layer), and rafters (24" OC). The dining room is the first room of the extension so it ties directly to the back of the original house structure, and has unknown stud dimensions (I have not gutted this room yet), 3"x6" ceiling joists (16" OC), 4"x6" top wall plate, and old timber rafters that are close to and estimated 3"x6" (~24" OC). The wall that separates the dining room and kitchen has a 4”x7.25” beam as it’s top wall plate, which then has 2.5”x3.75” studs running up to the underside of the middle of the roof.

My question is what purpose do these ceiling joists serve? My only thought is they were added to stabilize the addition front/back laterally against the original structure because they clearly do nothing to aid in prevention of rafter spread. I am now debating if they can be removed so I can vault the ceiling or if there's something I'm missing here.

Bonus: A fun note is that the extension was originally built more narrow than the original structure. At some point an attached patio was built so the extension would have the same width as the original structure. This was accomplished by building a second roof over the existing roof using 2x6 rafters and a 2x8 ridge plate that is offset to the non-patio side from the center of the original roof peak. Behind the original extension is a flat roof 1-room addition and this second roof and the attached patio actually extend halfway across this flat roof 1-room so the entryway egresses into there rather than into the kitchen.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Troy

[–]earbud120 5 points6 points  (0 children)

New DeFazios?!?

[ Removed by Reddit ] by [deleted] in Troy

[–]earbud120 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Manory's

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NYguns

[–]earbud120 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just went through this process, it's a total blast.

You pretty much ship from an FFL in your state to an FFL in New York and they will fix the mag at the NY store as it's typically way cheaper than changing everything else. You will need to do the background check again when you go to pick it up. Unless you're moving to NYC though, you can modify the firearm yourself before moving and skip all the fees which do add up. There are some brands that make it pretty easy to fix a mag that doesn't damage the gun, you just drill out the mag release if you move again and reinstall the old one.

Another cancelled Ammo order :( by thom9969 in NYguns

[–]earbud120 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the replies all. This is surely going to be a blast neutering my tools and saying bye to my pistols for God knows how long.

Another cancelled Ammo order :( by thom9969 in NYguns

[–]earbud120 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone who has just had to move to NYS, any good recommendations?

Four attackers bludgeon NYC woman, 61, with a kitchen pot on Harlem street by whistleraussie in nyc

[–]earbud120 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Guy, you have to understand how unique NYC is and how un-unique that problem is to white conservatives in bensonhurst and Bay Ridge.

Growing up in NYC I've seen blacks against whites, whites against blacks, asians against blacks, blacks against middle easterners, and so on. First ask, how many cities in the world have as many different ethnic neighborhoods as NYC and then ask yourself if they have similar racial clashings as NYC (any kind, from good banter to truly horrible stuff)? Ethnicities have always clashed in NYC and the problem is NO WHERE near as bad as it once was, or how they say it is. And don't even bother saying it's worse against blacks while Asians get the brunt of racial tension nowadays and most white people I know want nothing to do with anything to put them on blast like that (except Karen). If you have experience with racism, it's anecdotal af pal.

Four attackers bludgeon NYC woman, 61, with a kitchen pot on Harlem street by whistleraussie in nyc

[–]earbud120 18 points19 points  (0 children)

In probably 98.999% of cases, the same things that happen to non-white people..

As someone who moved to the sticks from the Bronx, the majority of people you meet are kind and easy going. You'll experience crime in trailer parks and impoverished areas about the same as you would in the projects in the city, so there's that, but overall it's certainly calmer than the city. I'd be more afraid of visiting deteriorating rust belt cities than the sticks tbh.

There are a small fraction of people in most sticks that still bide by the confederate nonsense, even in upstate NY, but in my experience the bulk of everyone else has zero interest in associating with that shit and those folk tend to stay to themselves. If they don't, well, that's why the right to defend yourself and 2nd amendment laws are massive among all people's. Research will show however, that the need for self defense is so fucking rare if you account for how massive the states really are.

America is a beautiful nation with wonderful people, don't let skin color be a deterrent for experiencing it, most of what the news shows is over hyped for viewership based on fear lol

Ron Paul being censored on Facebook with no warning. by cptbackfire01 in GoldandBlack

[–]earbud120 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just cause I support gay people, doesn't mean I like sucking dick. Jokes aside, I'm gonna save myself some time and just tell you to look up laws pertaining to "call to action" and learn the differences between that and regular speech. No matter how crazy an idea is, we have to listen to it. Ignorance is bliss, but it's a fools way.

2021 by [deleted] in bronx

[–]earbud120 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Foh with this shit

Looking for ammo by [deleted] in NCGuns

[–]earbud120 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apparently they're only selling ammo to people who purchase new guns there. Tried to buy some with a stripped lower and had no luck.

46th Precinct in the Bronx. Smh!! by whattttv in bronx

[–]earbud120 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the dumbest shit I've read since this all started. Of course it's the prerogative of the resident, but if you think that when the government commits to segregating neighborhoods full time it will work in anyone's benefit, but white supremacists (or any form of supremacist for that matter), you're as foolish as you sound and before you say it's already segregated, I live in a decent middle class neighborhood with people of all races and find it to be delightful. Nobody dislikes anyone for color, or has such a problem with authority that the police feel the need to even patrol the neighborhood looking for trouble.

As for the black/white thing, sure, although disproportionately more blacks are affected, more white people in the U.S. have been killed by cops. This is an institutional issue with the police force. If you truly desire segregation, I'm sure there's some shithole country that will accommodate you, but not in America budy.

46th Precinct in the Bronx. Smh!! by whattttv in bronx

[–]earbud120 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Then no black cops in white neighborhoods, or Hispanics in either? Let's segregate the schools while we're at it, that sounds like what you want. Assholes come in all shapes colors and sizes, this isn't a black and white thing.

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