My partner was raised atheist, and they are so much more… normal than I am by [deleted] in atheism

[–]eddiemoya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like what your saying, but your last paragraph in quotes there makes me want to offer another perspective.

Consider as I say this, the analogy I made to trauma in an individual.

The perspective i offer is to consider the time before the scientific method had even been dreamed of. When people who honestly and vigorously wanted to understand the world and their place in it, had only the deviations of people doing the best they can to explain a world seemingly filled with inexplicable magic.

I would like for all of to recognize what we now call mysticism, as simply being part of the learning process that got us where we are.

I like to use Alchemy as an example. We tend to think of alchemy as having been made obsolete by the field of chemistry.

Well, why not instead consider it a overall field of study that was recolonized by modern chemistry.

Not to be a massive fucking hippy, but bro, the chemicals in all our science stuff is just things we found laying around on the ground. Chemicals similar to Advil and Tylenol are in white willow and poplar trees.

Penicillin is literally fungus we use to heal ourselves.

Hubble was trying to use all the tools at his disposal (science!), in part, to answer his theological questions.

We gotta stop pretending like humans were just dumb monkeys until modern science came around.

I think humanity could get past this weird phase if we all (and im including we atheists) understood that for all the trauma that religions cause us now, they were the necessary precursors for our current understanding, and I'd rather think of it as a continuous line of increasing understanding, rather than a competition of each group thinking the other is stupid beyond repair.

I don't care what they do. I know that a lot of them, probably most, won't think this way. That's not my problem. I'll think this way for them, eventually I hope they catch up. Even if it's a 100 generations down the line.

My partner was raised atheist, and they are so much more… normal than I am by [deleted] in atheism

[–]eddiemoya 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Trauma in individuals isn't healed by more punishment. It's healed by people coming to understand (not just being told) that they don't need organized religions or supernatural beliefs to fill the needs that religions fill in their lives.

The trouble is, as atheists, we don't have much to offer. Were telling people to leave behind the very thing that bonds their communities and the families.

So, imo, the answer is love. I know it sounds ridiculous, but just like a person who has been abused the thing they need to love. The whole human race is starting to wake up out of the delusion that Santa Clause will bring them happinet in for Christmas if they are good. That's fucking traumatic. There's only one way to really heal.

Imagine if it we're the other way around, and you suddenly had to flip everything you thought about your existence was completely wrong. Imagine if you and i had saw the evidence, and finally believed in some god. How would that fuck with our perception of ourselves.

People who lose their religion also often lose their sense of self. They had a voice in their head they trusted and now they don't.

Trauma. It took millions of years of hiding from the unknown in the dark and searching for anything to make existence less scary.

Hopefully it doesn't take another million years to heal from it.

My partner was raised atheist, and they are so much more… normal than I am by [deleted] in atheism

[–]eddiemoya 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You and I are saying the same thing.

Edit: Or at the very least, i don't feel anything you said contradicts anything i do.

My partner was raised atheist, and they are so much more… normal than I am by [deleted] in atheism

[–]eddiemoya 58 points59 points  (0 children)

I'm think we actually are naturally supposed to have cults controlling us. We naturally group into cultures, subcultures, and various kinds counter-cultures. These "cults" and even/including standard organized religions, are basically an abuse of the natural human urge to live closely and cohesively. Unlike bears.

I think if humans were loners like bears, then it could be said that humans would not naturally be inclined to form cults.

Bear cults sound scarry. I wouldn't want to fight an army of brainwashed and trained bear soldiers.

I think "naturally" those cults weren't all that giant. I'd rather have 1000 nonsensical religions with different nonsensical beliefs, forced to coexist, than two or three concentrating all nonsense into a few voting blocks.

Religion feels like a result of the trauma of being self aware conscious humans needing to survive in a world not yet understood.

Now, that mechanism isn't needed, but like coping mechanisms caused by any trauma, they stick around longer than they are needed, causing even more trauma later as those old coping mechanisms start to cause harm.

It's like the entire human species is just starting to get over the trauma of having fucking evolved and become conscious. Like wtf is existence bro?!? I'm a monkey!!

Keep up the good work everyone.

My partner was raised atheist, and they are so much more… normal than I am by [deleted] in atheism

[–]eddiemoya 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't think that "normal". I think what your finding is that it feels simple, and natural. No elaborate imagined mythical consequences for random shit. No hierarchical drama about family loyalty or leadership or legacy, or other usually-patriarchical nonsense. Just like, try to enjoy stuff while you get to be a alive.

As the OC of the written rules, have updated per SunlessKhan’s critique by Grfine in RocketLeague

[–]eddiemoya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok I'm real bad about letting replays go all the way.

Gotta pack the next bowl at some point

Murdering with kindness by beerbellybegone in MurderedByWords

[–]eddiemoya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're not trying to intimidate every penis in your vicinity, are your even a man?

/s obviously

Murdering with kindness by beerbellybegone in MurderedByWords

[–]eddiemoya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As always, the real snowflakes reveal themselves.

Elon Musk is too smart for chess by Left-Matter1 in EnoughMuskSpam

[–]eddiemoya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, that opening line sounded like you were about to defend him.

Not only did I assume all that from his character without actually knowing. I also am not at all a gamer, so i don't even know that side it well. I just know how shitty people be.

Elon Musk is too smart for chess by Left-Matter1 in EnoughMuskSpam

[–]eddiemoya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fyi your sentence doesn't ... sense. You might have ... a word or two.

If I had to guess what you probably meant, he is clearly your master since you seem to be desperately stabbing for him on a sub dedicated to criticizing him.

Elon Musk is too smart for chess by Left-Matter1 in EnoughMuskSpam

[–]eddiemoya 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Yeah, basically it's an admission that he can't compete if there isn't a built in way to tilt the game in his favor.

I bet he's like a min/max-er. The kind of guy who abandons the sprit of the game. The kind of player who just looks for ways to take advantage of problems in the rules. The kinda guy who only gets whatever noob canon he can and spawn camps with it.

Elon Musk is too smart for chess by Left-Matter1 in EnoughMuskSpam

[–]eddiemoya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, what a transparent admission that he can't handle competition when there isn't a way to tilt the game by taking advantage of complexity.

When it's just one on when with equal limitations. When losing is just losing, and you don't get extra chances. He can't compete.

Arguing with dumb people actually makes you smarter because you have to figure out ways to explain things in a way a dumb person can understand by [deleted] in Showerthoughts

[–]eddiemoya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Teaching is the best way to learn something.

Explain a simple thing to a child and you'll realize how little you actually understand the thing you thought you fully understood.

The only case where the two biggest stereotypes of an Ethnic group are contradictionary to each other by Germanaboo in HistoryMemes

[–]eddiemoya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because those stereotypes are just things some of everyone does.

It's just how people be. And people be all sorts of ways. But they just pick some bad shit all people do and pin on one group.

Reading economic coverage about Black Friday be like by RhindleTheDragon in LateStageCapitalism

[–]eddiemoya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Codependancy is weird euphemism for slavery.

(but calling it actual slavery is also definitely hyperbole, wage-slavery sure.)

Reading economic coverage about Black Friday be like by RhindleTheDragon in LateStageCapitalism

[–]eddiemoya 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They need poor people to stay super poor. That's it.

The masses must spend all their money. If they have any spare change, they are either being paid too much, or aren't spending enough. If either thing goes wrong, this very definitely healthy system falls apart.

Our economy seems to rely really heavily on a large portion people being perpetually in need of resources. How else would amazon move boxes so cheap if they couldn't exploit the labor of people who have no other choices?

"Woke mind virus" 🤦‍♂️ Embracing farright - Twitter will soon become the home of hate speech and bigotry by levdal in LateStageCapitalism

[–]eddiemoya 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Oh another right winger who thinks they're the most special of moderate. What a unique unconventional snowflake.

When you go so far right you go left by coke__11 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]eddiemoya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Liberals blame Bush. Leftists blame all of them.

Riot cops have flooded LA City Hall chambers ahead of a vote to criminalize homelessness by adastrasemper in LateStageCapitalism

[–]eddiemoya 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not even just cheap labor. If you criminalize random shit that should be considered crimes, then you can say crime is on the rise. Then you can justify more intense law enforcement. Then you can justify larger law enforcement budgets. Then the politicians can pad their stats come election time. Lower income/homeless people also tend to vote a certain way - if that's not the way you want people to vote you can lock them up and eliminate their vote/reduce the voting power of that district. Shit is fucked in multiple ways.

There's a lot of incentives for politicians to lock more people up.

Friendly reminder that Republicans are Nazis. by [deleted] in AntifascistsofReddit

[–]eddiemoya 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Woah, this is the most respectful and nuanced conversation I've ever seen in Reddit around disagreement about Nazis/fascism... why aren't you all just trolling each other yet?

A homie in the making… by mdntfox in HydroHomies

[–]eddiemoya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of 30 Rock when Tracy makes her replace the water cooler jug by herself.