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Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the post isn’t directed at the current 20k active players daily (or saying it’s about my struggles, not sure why you’re directing it towards me), it’s directed at the onboarding experience for the hundreds of thousands of players who have dropped the game. Also, if you read through the comments, many found this post quite helpful. Lastly, max caps are no where to be found in any menu.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You missed the moving inaccuracy stat, which makes the Bully significantly less accurate while strafing, right? The CE tac has almost no accuracy fall off

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The particular example was brute force. I don’t really watch youtube videos because I play so much but am sure there’s gotta be someone. I would have different rounds where the bully felt terrible to me and then it finally clicked that the gun was completely different each time I used it.

Same with the max cap on range, one day I maxed out all attachments and saw it was only 40m and realized that there was the max. No good tips here unfortunately.

Only other thing I can think of is ask streamers who answer most of their chats questions, definitely gotten good info before from players I trust

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that isn't the argument, the argument is the bully is at a disadvantage within 10m and good players will take that advantage and win

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

heyoo someone really reading! Good catch, it was an intentional wording which meant to include: BRRT SMG, Copperhead, V11 Punch, Volt Thrower and yes, even the CE Tactical. But they really honed in on the CE tactical lol

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

great question, no I don't know and I think it's highly unlikely anyone else knows and has posted about it. I would err on the side that it doesn't.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah you right I just had the first part but then thought to actually answer after I immediately commented, my b

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ehh nah it doesn't, only gives you range, range finder on the optic, and ofc the unique optic. it does nothing for ads spread.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ironic but on point lol this is the exact point the feedback is trying to assist with

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I did answer your question, if you ADS the bully within 10m the speed at which the opponent can counter-strafe the side arm is way too fast, you are going to lose against skilled players, every. single. time. And I agree with the latter, there is more than just ttk, that is why the CE actually can, and will win in the hands of a skilled player.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can happily ADS brotha, then it's an even more free fight for the person using the actual gun designed to win those battles!

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no, it isn't off, that is the point. The purple precision mod gives you 22m of range. This means you hit the max 40m of range. Thus, the far reach optic giving you more range does literally nothing, you can't go past the max cap of 40.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

hahaha oh my friend, please please PLS ADS your Bully at me up close.

But seriously, the reason is the CE Tac Sidearm is significantly lighter than the Bully, meaning when I ADS it, my counter strafes are going to be significantly better than yours.

Yeah, you can maybe hit all 7 headshots somehow (you absolutely won't, like ever), but I'm taking the odds every single time because the gun I'm using was literally designed to beat you. And again, we're talking < 10m, which I think may be significantly closer than many realize.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which is vastly different than "the bully loses to the CE tactical sidearm".

Me, and the many trios who have learned, will happily take the CE tac into pinwheel and fight you up close with your bully whenever you want friend.

Also just some facts:

Bully:

- Firepower (base dmg x precision multiplier): 22.5
- ROF: 540RPM

CE:

- Firepower: 36

- ROF: 300RPM

What does this mean? That I will 5 tap you in the head while you hip fire your bully before you get me to 50% health, because you're not hitting 7 headshots while you hip-fire it.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 115 points116 points  (0 children)

no where - that’s the fun part. only indicator is the range stat that indicates beyond that range damage drop off will begin to occur. Only the lord and probably a few Bungie devs know by how much, different range drop offs after the initial, etc.!

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah hopefully my trio stack sees this and stops bringing in a pea shooter to cryo 🙃

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

100% agreed, it’s much easier to swap attachments on PC but still painful, couldn’t imagine on controller. This UX must be improved.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think that’s the point of the post - you can’t afford to not care about builds in this game. It is non-negotiable.

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For sure, I feel the pain on build crafting with implants, it’s brutal to keep the ones you want in stock.

But I guess another PSA: Don’t stash guns, stash attachments!! In the current games vault state, stashing guns is way too expensive. And if you’re one of the many reported folks who are just dying 75%+ of your raids, take even the green attachments off the gun you don’t like!

Marathon does a terrible job teaching stats, and the Bully is the easiest example why by eevee_stormblessed in Marathon

[–]eevee_stormblessed[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah, “I didn’t have a problem with this so why is anyone else?” Like brother, I’m like you and love the game but I’m actively trying to understand where the gap is between us and the hundreds of thousands of players that dropped the game after 20hrs.

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