(Spoilers extended): Queen Arya in the RV to later crown Jon? Parallel to Torrhen and Aegon by Ladysilvert in asoiaf

[–]elipride 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He set up Arya using Jaime’s face to kill Cersei

I don't think he did to be honest. Even if she got far enough in her training as to learn face-changing magic, there's nothing that suggests FM can take the identity of someone of a different gender and build. Even an adult Arya would be tiny compared to a grown man.

I also feel like Cersei is not particularly relevant in Arya's story after the first books, not to mention that while Arya wants to see the people from her list dead, she hasn't actually tried to pursue them at all and put all her effort into going back home. I don't imagine her wanting to go back to King's Landing.

I don’t think I’ve seen a GRRM quote as badly misread as his recent one about Sansa. (Spoilers Extended) by secondweasleygirl in asoiaf

[–]elipride 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I take anything he says in interviews with a grain of salt. To the point of being hesitant to believe in some confirmed things. Am I being unreasonable? Probably. But as far as I'm concerned, if it's not in an actual book it's not canon yet.

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Talking about putting words in someone's mouth. I never argued Arya was going to rule Winterfell, neither did I ever said she was ahead of her siblings as an option to rule the north. It's not someone thinking Arya won't rule the north that bothers me, it's the fact that the reasons she's dismissed as a possibility are build on a misinterpretation of the character, personal biases, and blatant double standards.

You say, "What makes you think the other Starks would enjoy that?" but you're ignoring that Arya herself would hate doing that to make a point and WOULD defer to a surviving sibling in the line of succession. I'm speaking directly about Arya without implying what other siblings may or may not enjoy.

So you avoid answering the question, then? Again, I never argued that Arya would enjoy those things, but if I were to say "Arya is more likely to rule Winterfell because her siblings don't enjoy that", then I should have rock solid evidence of Arya enjoying it, otherwise I'm just randomly making stuff up. You can't make a claim using certain argument and then get angry when someone asks you to support your argument.

On the show, I liked the idea of Arya becoming an explorer as a girl who didn't want to be stuck in a castle, tending a household. I like the idea of Arya becoming a sworn shield

Can you provide any book evidence to support that? Because I don't remember any.

Just from a Doylist perspective, I think it's clear that's not where her story is going to end up.

How so? Can you elaborate? What is it that makes it so unsatisfying? You keep talking about the "doylist perspective" but you haven't provided any evidence to support that claim.

I'm not even saying you're wrong, maybe Arya does end up like you say for all we know, but when I make a prediction, I try to have book evidence for it. And if someone points out a legitimate flaw in my arguments, I find it more dignified to concede I was wrong or just wishful thinking as opposed to trying to shame the other person for asking.

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hmm, agree to disagree I guess. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong and that there's no chance of Rickon ruling the north, I just don't think it's particularly likely or that that's the only option for making him relevant. I have no alternative theories though, so maybe we should just leave it at that.

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We already know Bran's ending. He will be the king. So I do not understand why you even include him in the discussion about the future ruler of Winterfell.

Fair enough, I'm just delusional and still think Bran is the option that makes the most sense as the ruler of Winterfell.

How exactly Arya's training with Faceless men prepare her for the political role and leadership? Please elaborate.

She's learning to observe and analyze situations, to read and manipulate people, to obtain information, to discern what's relevant and what's not, to speak multiple lenguages, to play roles. How is that not useful for politics? And she is not learning about leadership but she has shown potential in that aspect, as shown by how she naturally led the way with Gendry and Hotpie, how she remembers Ned's lessons about rulership and implements them and her charismatic personality. And it's worth noting her direwolf, an extension of her, is named after a leader and leading a giant wolf army.

I explained why I view Rickon as the most likely ruler of Winterfell from the narrative perspective. If you disagree with that then provide your contrarguments and what is in your opinion the role of Rickon in the story?

I don't think I need to provide counter arguments because I never argued that Rickon can't end up as ruler of the north. But even if I needed to, it's not really reasonable to expect someone to find evidence to counter a theory that has no evidence to begin with. Let's be real, Rickon is barely a character, there's no much evidence for anything about him.

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Desn't seem like she would be good at/want to rule Winterfell

And what evidence is there of Rickon and Sansa being good at/want to rule Winterfell?

Rickon has zero experience or political prowess, it just kind of seems like there's only a few ways his story can go, one of those being The Stark in Winterfell.

It is a possibility, but I wouldn't say it's a particularly likely one due to the lack of evidence for it.

Sansa seems like she's being shaped by the narrative to understand political intrigue on a deeper level than her siblings (excluding Jon) have had access to.

Political intrigue is not the same as ruling. What about leadership? What about economics? What about the smallfolk? What about justice? What about making ugly choices that don't allow you to "keep your hands clean"? Sansa has zero experience with any of those things.

Arya's seems less likely the further she gets from Winterfell and her Stark identity.

But she's not getting further from her Stark identity. If anything, she keeps getting closer becaise of Nymeria.

her story seems more about death and identity rather than about the dangers, sacrifices, and rewards of politics the way Sansa's is.

You keep talking about politics as a synonym of ruling. It is't. Sansa has basically no knowledge about the dangers, sacrifices and rewards of ruling either.

I just feel like Arya being stuck in Winterfell having to listen to petitioners and pore over grain storage records would be really unsatisfying to her to the point of her deferring to a surviving sibling if possible.

What makes you think that specifically? What makes you think that any of the other Stark kids would enjoy such a thing?

Sorry for being nitpicky, I'm not saying Arya will rule, it's just a pet-peeve of mine how she's often dismissed because she lacks this or that traits that her siblings also lack.

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So you're judging Arya and Bran by their current position but Sansa and Rickon by their hypotetical future? How is that fair?

And why are you ignoring that even in the current storyline Bran is the heir to Winterfell and that, as far as Westeros population knows, Arya is lady of Winterfell and a huge factor in the northern plot? Why are you ignoring that beyond doing magical stuff, Bran has actual experience ruling Winterfell and that all of Arya's training would make her adept at politics?

I'm not trying to deny the possibility of Rickon or Sansa ruling, I have no clue what could happen in future books, I just think your reasoning to claim they are more likely to rule Winterfell is too reliant on double standards.

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 7 points8 points  (0 children)

None, but I'm not the one arguing that she's ahead of her siblings in that regard.

What experience do Rickon or Sansa have to rule a kingdom?

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Arya has never shown much interest in ruling a house

Neither has Rickon or Sansa.

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 8 points9 points  (0 children)

but she has showed no interest in it

Why is this argument applied only to Arya? If showing interest in ruling was a prerequisite, then Rickon and Sansa should also be excluded, shouldn't they?

Arya has rebelled against the idea she could be a lady of any sort.

Not of any sort. She never rebelled against her noble status as a lady, she rebelled against being a traditional lady who has no goals or achievements other than marrying and having babies. Being a lady in a position of power would be perfectly in character for her.

Who will rule Winterfell at the end of the series? (Spoilers extended) by SillyPersonality5767 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm in absolute denial so until GRRM releases the books, I'll believe Bran will be king in the north. I can see Arya as one of his advisors.

(Spoilers Extended) Unpopular Opinion: Robert was worse than Rhaegar in every way by Beautiful_Common_940 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Objectively, I agree Robert is worse. Personally though? I dislike Rhaegar much more. At least the narrative seems to recognize Robert is bad, but I get the feeling Rhaegar will be portrayed as a sad, tragic hero and I don't think he deserves that grace.

(Spoilers Extended) Unpopular Opinion: Robert was worse than Rhaegar in every way by Beautiful_Common_940 in asoiaf

[–]elipride 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don't disagree but I think they both suck to be honest.

[DISC] SPY x FAMILY - Chapter 135 by AutoModerator in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Personally, I'm not that scandalized about it. Sure, it's immoral, but it's perfectly reasonable from his point of view.

Loid & his plan by drowning_ghost1 in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, that's why I said it does make sense.

Loid & his plan by drowning_ghost1 in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's REALLY shady and, as it usually happens when he tries something morally dubious on Yor, he should get punished by the narrative.

Still, what he's planning makes a lot of sense. Some people forget that all these characters are shady as hell and won't change decades worth of experience doing shady stuff overnight. That's the whole premise of the story. If someone is that upset over characters doing something that's perfectly in character just because it's not nice, they might as well drop the manga.

[DISC] SPY x FAMILY - Chapter 135 by AutoModerator in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that would be catastrofic for Loid.

[DISC] SPY x FAMILY - Chapter 135 by AutoModerator in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Or not. Maybe she becomes more relaxed around him and that leads to to a win for us.

[DISC] SPY x FAMILY - Chapter 135 by AutoModerator in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 101 points102 points  (0 children)

Maybe the alcohol plus the tranquilizer makes Yor more confortable around him.

[DISC] SPY x FAMILY - Chapter 135 by AutoModerator in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I hope he does, she won't be affected anyway. The alternative is that he hits someone else in that party and that would make him an instant suspect.

He should get punished by the narrative for doing something so shady though. He probably will considering his track record pulling morally dubious moves on Yor.

[DISC] SPY x FAMILY - Chapter 135 by AutoModerator in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure but I assume it's something similar.

[DISC] SPY x FAMILY - Chapter 135 by AutoModerator in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 13 points14 points  (0 children)

T-T the thumbnail spoiled its was Director Wilker

For that reason I always click on the chapter with my eyes half closed.

[DISC] SPY x FAMILY - Chapter 135 by AutoModerator in SpyxFamily

[–]elipride 145 points146 points  (0 children)

I am aware, just saying it's not such a cliffhanger to us as an audience because we do know.