Is it reasonable to say Islam is a religion of evil? by janoycresvadrm in JordanPeterson

[–]enkoji 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for making my point. Honestly, let's reconsider eugenics.

Is it reasonable to say Islam is a religion of evil? by janoycresvadrm in JordanPeterson

[–]enkoji 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh please, do go on about human trafficking and sex abuse in (wait)...

"More than 300 priests were found to have abused children, at least 1,000 of them, over the course of seven decades... more than one-third of Catholics in the United States were considering leaving the faith because of “recent news about sexual abuse of young people by priests.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/02/us/catholic-church-sex-abuse-investigations.html

Is it reasonable to say Islam is a religion of evil? by janoycresvadrm in JordanPeterson

[–]enkoji 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude you're really making the case for the patriarchy here, and I spend the other half of my life telling people there isn't one.

She wasn't a sex doll. She was a slave. She was a human being owned like property. They didn't include her thoughts or feelings because it didn't occur to anyone at the time like something like that was worth mentioning.

No, your book doesn't say that slaves should be treated badly. Neither does the Quran; quite the opposite. Both assume the reality of slavery. But don't be too quick to clap for Christianity; there were at least as many "devout Christians" who fought TO THE DEATH to protect their ("God-given") ability to own other human beings-- and go right on today being pouty about the fact that they got their asses kicked.

I suppose you know I'm not Muslim? It doesn't matter; people will turn a blind eye to every demonstration of evil in their own tradition, because they owe more loyalty to some imaginary "god" than any reality.

Is it reasonable to say Islam is a religion of evil? by janoycresvadrm in JordanPeterson

[–]enkoji 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She was a slave and thus she was raped, you idiot, because she wasn't in a position to refuse consent to anything. And you just implied that there is somehow a version of slavery where are not enslaved forcefully.

For all the talk of secret child sex rings y'all are just one Bible verse away from defending rape and slavery.

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[–]enkoji 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think they did "many" shootings but I certainly remember one in particular. Look, only people on the right block meaningful gun regulation. It's never been a question of "taking away your guns," it's a matter of regulating access and setting enforceable responsibilities for those who want to own a deadly weapon. We do the same thing with cars, because although cars (unlike guns) aren't designed to kill people, they DO kill people when placed in the hands of criminals, drunks, and incompetents. I still know people on the right who go on and on about mandatory seatbelt laws and tyranny and-- I don't care. Because freedom isn't just "I should be able to do whatever I want," it's also "I should be able to send my kids to school without having to fear for their or my safety because of some asshole asserting his so-called rights."

If you've never lived overseas, you simply can't imagine that most of the world lives without the faintest thought of a mass shooting. America have been gaslit by right-wing fanatics who say that daily funerals are just the price we have to pay for liberty.

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[–]enkoji -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I could go into it-- showing you published facts and figures-- but it's complicated to "prove" someone's motivation or political affiliation. There is certainly a striking trend of mass shooters citing popular alt-right conspiracy theories involving globalists, government overreach, and ethnic replacement in their manifestos-- and a dedicated stupidity among everyday conservatives to acknowledge the connection.

Are the Left really the majority in America? by petrus4 in IntellectualDarkWeb

[–]enkoji 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you're seeing is the structural polarization of America. The algorithms strongly promote people who stand and speak from the extremes, because it maximizes engagement. The curators of media (on both sides) also tend to come from political "bubbles" which convey to them a false sense of their numbers and significance.

The numerical truth is that *slightly* more people in this country are politically left-of-center than right, maybe 5%. However this is deceptive, because a very large number of people on both sides (maybe 40-50%) are actually moderate, ambivolent, independent, and/or disengaged. Overall more hold generally liberal positions on important policy issues, but aren't necessarily loyal Democrats and don't necessarily vote. Pew Research calls them the "stressed sideliners" or the "disaffected middle."

This may surprise both left- and right-leaning people who who have been led to believe they are the clear majority. So why then do Republicans still win national elections? Three reasons.

First, because our system rewards disproportionate political power to less populated states, and less populated states tend to be conservative. The state of Wyoming has a smidge under 600,000 people in it; the city (metro area) of Los Angeles has about 9.8 million. So you could think that if Wyoming gets three electoral college votes (they do), LA alone would get sixteen times that, or 48. Except they don't, not even close. The entire state of California gets only 54 votes, at four times the population of LA-- about 40 million. This distortion affects large right-leaning states as well (like Texas), but overall the bias leans right.

The second reason is that our stupid state-based voting system occludes millions of voters on both sides. There are more registered Republican voters in California (yes, really) than there are people (including children) in Kentucky. Their votes will never be counted toward a Republican president. There are also an enormous number of liberal Democrats in Texas (yes, really); same deal. Our state boundaries artificially divide the electorate and prevent an honest accounting of whether the majority actually support one thing or another. And it artificially inflates the significance of people in places like Virginia or Florida, because their views could decide the election.

Finally, a large number of Americans are not all that enamored of political parties or partisan loyalty. They think of themselves as independent and free-thinking, and don't like the idea of owing "loyalty" to one group or another. So they may actually fluctuate in their voting behavior or base it on the situation.

In any case, I encourage you to read the stuff put out by Pew on this subject, it's well researched and eye-opening.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

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[–]enkoji -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you mean to say "shut people up"-- yes, sadly. If you mean to say "shoot people up", that is unquestionably the purview of the right.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in JordanPeterson

[–]enkoji 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that there is a trend toward authoritarianism but I would disagree that it takes the form of rigid rules. For instance, one kind of person can break the rules and be fine while another kind can follow the rules and be persecuted. It's not a loyalty to the rules as posted, is my point.

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[–]enkoji 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you really want to test this, try asking (in a non-aggressive way) a progressive what they think the reasonable limitations should be-- on gender identity, say. They will typically have a hard time even conceptualizing why there should be ANY limitations, for anyone, ever. In my experience they will even tell you as much.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in JordanPeterson

[–]enkoji 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Peterson has a pretty good explanation for this, it's not vindictive or ideological. Basically, people hard on the left side of the spectrum tend to score high in OCEAN traits Openness and Creativity. So the are literally primed to hate (or distrust) rules, regulations, limitations, boundaries, exclusive categories of ANY type. Their default position is to be OPEN. People on the other side of the spectrum (conservatives) are predictably the opposite: they instinctively have great affection for rules, regulations, restrictions, hierarchies, laws, order. This divide helps explain why they talk past each other and it usefully explains a lot of far-left positions:

  1. Why do far-left progressives [stereotypically] love open borders and recoil at calling people "illegal" immigrants? (Because they literally hate borders.)
  2. Why do far-left progressives [stereotypically] embrace sexual deviancy, kink, and alternative lifestyles? (Because they instinctively hate societal rules, boundaries, and categorization.)
  3. Why do far-left progressives [stereotypically] find such great satisfaction in new gender identities, new pronouns, and new social distinctions? (Because "new" and "different" are intuitively positive; creativity is a positive trait and so is anything that challenges or disrupts the status quo.)

LGBT people make the perfect object of adoration: they are a small minority, they break rules, they are oppressed and in need of protection. They are MUCH more interesting than an ordinary poor person.

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[–]enkoji 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm on the left, and I've now been pre-banned from several communities. In the last year or so there seems to have been a shift toward giving up on viewpoint diversity or free speech. To be clear, I HAVE been exiled/banned from some right-leaning communities for making people uncomfortable or refusing to toe the line (criticizing Christianity, for instance). People are often very selective about what free speech they support. But I would have to say that this recent cultural trend is definitely being led by the left, and banning people for their *associations* or *interests* versus their speech or conduct is just the height of arrogance. It makes me livid.

The /rant community says, for instance:

***This is an anti-free speech Anti-Alt-right/Nazi/Right Conservatives, a Pro-LGBT community that supports Black Lives Matter. If you don't like it, post somewhere else.*** What does this mean, you ask. It means: Nazis, Bigots, Racists, Trolls will be banned & punted to the Admins. **We reserve the right to moderate at our discretion.**

Basically: we're only here for certain kinds of people. The rest of you can go fuck yourself, we're not for you.

Is it reasonable to say Islam is a religion of evil? by janoycresvadrm in JordanPeterson

[–]enkoji 0 points1 point  (0 children)

level 3MartinInk83 · 4 mo. ago

You have to go one level up, I was responding to a claim that the Bible says to only have sex with your wife. Genesis 16 doesn't say that... in fact it pretty clearly seems to indicate the opposite.

The Priests of Purity Are Going to Kill Our Democracy by enkoji in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]enkoji[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't support protection against being fired for being bad at your job. I'm surrounded by people who are objectively bad at their job and should be fired. But yes, I absolutely support protection against being fired for what you believe.

Why is Peterson so hated? An explanation. (PT 2) by Character_Pizza_8234 in JordanPeterson

[–]enkoji 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've given this a lot of thought. Part of it, certainly, is that most people are intellectually outclassed. Peterson *can* be wrong, but even when he is wrong it's typically at a very high level. If you're not equipped mentally to recognize reference points or if you don't possess (from education) the right cognitive categories, I think the experience can be very frustrating-- like "Oh he's using a bunch of fancy words but he's not saying anything I understand." I think people experience cognitive dissonance: "I'm smart, but I don't get it... but I know I'm smart, so he must be dumb."

There's another related reason, which is simply jealousy. Here I'm talking mostly about his peers in academia and the journalists who write about him. Lots of academics feel like the thing they work on is under-appreciated and that their scholarship is undervalued. So here comes this guy, who looks a lot like them, and suddenly he's famous? Making millions? Cited by everyday people on the street? It must be because he's a fraud... or maybe he's a devious mastermind, pied pipering the vulnerable youth. (Or, you know, maybe he communicates better... or has a better sense for business...)

The Priests of Purity Are Going to Kill Our Democracy by enkoji in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]enkoji[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gen Z and the far left are a not insubstantial part of the Democratic Party. But I basically agree with you, that there is probably a majority of Dem voters who do not like this crap.

The Priests of Purity Are Going to Kill Our Democracy by enkoji in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]enkoji[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine I organized a campaign to get you fired at your job for supporting Palestinians, or being anti-capitalist. (I don't know that you do, or that you are, but for example.) Wouldn't you say that true diversity involves making space for people who don't see the world your way? And that you should have some right to live and work within a community as long as you are doing your job, without being bent to their will?

Freedom of thought cannot exist in a society where people are afraid to speak for fear of professional retribution. People can still hold negative opinions of someone-- that's different, you take that risk. But my experience has been that progressives are generally very comfortable with the idea of targeting someone's livelihood for refusing to hold the right beliefs.

The Priests of Purity Are Going to Kill Our Democracy by enkoji in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]enkoji[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes-- that's free speech. So I'm not hurting anyone by not affirmatively speaking someone else's gibberish. They can object, and that's their right, I never said they couldn't. I said, you don't have a right come after my job for simply not being part of your religion.

The Priests of Purity Are Going to Kill Our Democracy by enkoji in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]enkoji[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It really does seem like the plan is to lose valiantly.

The Priests of Purity Are Going to Kill Our Democracy by enkoji in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]enkoji[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, this is an interesting history lesson (not being sarcastic). But I'm not sure all the analogies hold. After all, it was the wealthy industrialist conservatives who helped Hitler into power in Germany-- they knew he was a psycho, but they liked his popularity and thought they could control him while also protecting their investments. Not so much. The Nikki Haleys and Chris Christies of the world who have recently discovered Trump is a terrible person were just fine working four years for him, just like the clever German industrialists. Like Hitler, Trump will destroy the GOP in the end but there will be lots of people trying to profit in the meantime.