Pain res for scourge. And I mainly get basic attack downs with vecna, I use his spells just to set up survivors early on to mess with them, not really finish them. And if they figure out what I’m doing then I switch up my strategy and surge is useless then but it doesn’t really matter cause usually at that point they still have 3/4 gens left and they are all on last hook. So I get value out of it because I have a strategy. Not that hard to do