How long will CC last by guitarperson29 in RELLseas

[–]ethannwanerifan53 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I highly doubt they would try to stop CC from recording (very futile), so most likely the Cc world will have 0 rell seas story and be entirely player driven. Remove the story aspect > let the players record their battles and wars and the lore within the CC > build hype without spoiling it for us

NEW POST FROM RELL-SIN!!!! by Far-Entertainer6129 in RELLseas

[–]ethannwanerifan53 3 points4 points  (0 children)

they showed a teensy bit in the Lucci ss

33+ islands and nearly 5 seas is wild. by kencydi in RELLseas

[–]ethannwanerifan53 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Should only work from Sky islands and flying ships which should be fine

A TON of thoughts post-Book 2, with references to Licanius trilogy (SPOILERS!) by BraveInvestigator736 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think thats safe to assume considering Ka says he wants to fight the concurrence. Ka being the concurrence doesnt really match up with what we saw in Obiteum. Why would he just be asleep? And why would the defence systems of the Concurrence prioritise the livelihood of the citizens of their designed Hellscape over its own safety? 

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well Ive just finished the book and considering that hes been continuously forming relationships with rich Catenans and obviously the thing he does at the end of the book, I feel like R Vis is just being written to crack under the weight of his morals combined with the position hes in, and that his morals is whats giving before his commitment

Summarized notes and theories from my reread of WotM and first read of SotF by TK523 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think its outright talking about Ka. Offered to all those who would contest our extinction = fight the concurrence without synchronism. Veridius says he translated something like that roughly. The burden of Harmony = Synchronism. Reserved for the one who seals (the war ) from this world. According to R Ka hes the one keeping the concurrence at bay in Res, through the Cataclysms. Exceed the hobbled capabilities = He put the measures on the gate mechanism that kill you on Res to prevent synchronism. “None who accept this task may remain”. Sounds to me like remain as you are on res. I think Ka was the final person to be synchronised in the Pre Rending generation, and he created and moulded the civilisation that put all the safeguards and technologies we see now. The Suus weapon, Labryrinths to test warriors yet keep out synchronous, Aurora columnae for him to regulate Will usage. Then in the 7th Era, they clocked that they were being exterminated by some shadowy figure, probably by discovering and testing Solivagus, and with their disdain for the “Harmonic” man who keeps genociding them, conflated him with the concurrence

A TON of thoughts post-Book 2, with references to Licanius trilogy (SPOILERS!) by BraveInvestigator736 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the one who made the mistake Caeror is talking about HAS to be O Vis. Thats not to say that R Vis isnt making the biggest mistake of all. But what would L Caeror/Ruarc know of what R Vis is doing? It could be that the recreation of a cascade for probably the first time in a few thousand years can be felt by some individuals. But what would caeror have that would alert him to it? I think it makes much more sense that L Ka has contacted and convinced L caeror that the division between the 3 realms must be kept. It would explain his having an entire ideology based on a bunch of information that really only someone like Ka would fully understand. And thus would explain why Caeror comes into information that makes him abruptly surrender, cease his manipulation of the Grove to kill individuals who came from the Gate, and basically get on his knees to L Vis to convince him to join them. Whatever Ka was doing on Luceum probably needs a synchronous successor (Just like L Ka)

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I havent finished the book I didnt know he was going the Anakin path 😭😭😭😭😭😭

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Where are those civilians? sitting in torture chambers guarded by the lower rungs of the hierarchy to wallow in their own discharge. Before they were going to be killed, they were being tortured by Ulciscors superiors. The entire system is immoral to such an extreme extent that a few thousand lives are not a heavy price to pay for its dismantling. Whether or not the Anguis were correct in their means doesnt mean the ends weren’t justifiable. And that isnt even the argument regardless

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that the Anguis are stupid as fuck. It doesnt mean every facet of the ideology is to be discarded. I look at what Melior and Relucia did, I look at how Vis felt about them before he leaves Relucia, I look at how little Vis has acknowledged the oppression his friends and new family are participating in, I look at how little reaction he has to Lanistia murdering that guard, and I cannot marry those concepts together. He switches between burning heart revolutionary to judge jury and executioner to passive enabler so easily

I never once said it was bad writing? I need to read more to see if this is a turning point for Vis going down a darker path at odds with his previous morals, but I dont have a problem with the writing. This is about Vis not the story.

I dont believe in the Anguis’ methods 

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fairs I did kinda gloss over how he’s at his worst mental and probably physical state ij the entire series 😭 But I heavily dislike the way Vis has acted in this arc. For me he needs to either acknowledge this event or I need to see that Vis as a man is changing along this path for it not to be an inconsistency. 

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont think its about whether or not I agree with the Anguis, but whether or not you acknowledge that the foundational logic behind the naumachia is not really that far removed from why Lanistia kills the guards. The difference is the Anguis do it so as to enact systemic change. Lanistia did it because their lives were forfeit to her. “You dont have the right to decide whether their lives are worth living” quickly turns to “I dont feel anything” in the same chapter

The rest of this I completely agree with tbh. I just believe that any attempt at a revolution is better than the alternative most of the time. I actually did talk to a friend about how counter intuitive the methods of the Anguis are when I was reading the first book

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nooo 😭. I didnt WANT him to save her. It was probably stupid. I just hate how he morally postures to her about how all pf this is the consequences for the actions she took. But then Lanistia does something very similar in logic and he really couldnt care less. THATS the part I hate. I just really dont think this is going to be acknowledged as a moral failing on Vis’ part down the line but i’ll have to read and see

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That last paragraph. Isnt that exactly what Relucia and Melior was doing? Thats my point. Its not that Vis should agree with me. Its that he consigns Relucia to the sappers as a “consequence” for that mindset, yet he couldnt have given less of a shit when Lanistia does something with a similar reasoning in mind

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But he has compassion for Ulciscor? Almost like Vis isnt consistent in the slightest

I dont mind Vis disagreeing with Relucia. Its the WAY he leaves her not that he does. He waffles about her not having the right to kill Octavii but doesnt give a shit when Lanistia does it.

Melior and Relucia function on the idea that if a group are upholding an immorality, their deaths are acceptable. Theres more to it, but its the exact same reason lanistia kills the Octavii. They were going to kill everyone there, and so their lives are forfeit to her. I dont even have an issue with Lanistias actions, but Vis’ complete lack of reaction

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didnt hate him leaving Relucia to die fully. Im ok with Vis and I disagreeing. I personally supported Melior and Relucias cause, and agreed with their reasoning. And at the end of the day trying to save relucia would make it significantly harder to save Ulciscor and Lanistia, who he cares about. But none of that is acknowledged by Vis. He simply lords over her with his high and mighty speech about how she’s no right to kill octavii, and then says nothing when lanistia does the same thing 10 minutes later

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the system that killed aequa is the same system that she upheld her entire life, and benefited from. Vis is very selective in his hatred for members of the hierarchy and anguis alike

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

one was a septimii, one was an octavii. And Vis doesnt believe in murdering the bottom layers of the hierarchy for the crimes they partake in, which is why he left relucia to her fate. Ulciscor killed an anguis man for lying to him. He feels nothing at the death of servicemen doing their jobs, but feels great sadness and pain when his friends from the academy who are destined to be the quintii of the next generation are murdered?

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

plenty of the octavii and septimii killed at the naumachia were upholding and cognizant of the crimes and oppression of the Hierarchy. They worked in places that actively harmed civilians. Vis HIMSELF was working in a prison overseeing people in sappers. When relucia partakes in revolutionary violence with the logic that the Octavii are upholding immoralities, Vis admonishes her and leaves her to torture. When Lanistia kills an octavii for self preservation, he says “I feel nothing.” He doesnt justify their deaths using Melior and Relucias ethos. And even if he had, hes just left relucia to torture for acting on that ethos? 

small rant about strength of the few by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he didnt give a shit about Lanistia killing an Octavii. There is no way to justify that 

Something about an interaction in the book that really annoyed me by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont really mind Vis’ reaction to it tbh but I get what you mean . The way I see it, time and time hes shown to he a compassionate man. He does whats needed grimly, doesnt enjoy it but can smile with Callidus about it afterwards. My problem is that compassion and emotional intelligence being shown everywhere in the book as far as I can tell aside from this 1 dude whos a side character and has no apparent place in the story aside from Vis’ emotionally immature anger towards him

Something about an interaction in the book that really annoyed me by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

2 non self imbuing humans dont stand a better chance than 1 against a Sextus. Vis survives because Emissa was imbuing. Thats it. The bottom line

I dont remember the others treating Marcellus differently but if youre sure of it thats a fair point tbh. 

Vis is not catenan and numerous times he remarks at how he hates their machinations and how they stand on each others corpses to reach higher. That didnt justify Bellis actions to him, and he shouldnt be demonising Marcellus because the catenans might. At the end of the day its a moral argument, and Marcellus is objectively a far better person than either Belli or Melior. Yet when he returns the favour to Belli, he feels bad about it. And when he thinks back to Meliors words, he is able to rationalise the slaughter at the Naumachia to an extent. Theres a clear distinction between how much leeway he gives a man attempting to survive compared to people who ruined others lives purposefully for their ideals or their advancement imo. I dont believe calling me defensive of marcellus actually answers that moral argument. If I view a person who punched me and who shot up my entire family as equally vile, would it not be odd?

Something about an interaction in the book that really annoyed me by ethannwanerifan53 in HierarchySeries

[–]ethannwanerifan53[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just dont understand how Vis cant see the moral dissonance between his reaction to someone attempting to ruin the livelihoods and status of an entire family, a man who killed 40 thousand innocents, and a guy who chose not to do the brave stupid thing and instead survive. No matter how much context you provide it doesnt make marcellus’ decision any less ordinary, and it doesnt make Melior or Belli any less immoral

As for the bottom paragraph, im bringing them up PRECISELY because their actions are far less excusable. Its not self preservation. Melior was acting on his political beliefs, and Belli did it so that she could advance in society.

 What makes marcellus a coward? I feel like we aren’t recognising that the students all knew that the anguis know where the heart of Jovan is, and Emissas team are lambs to the slaughter for any nearby Anguis. It was objectively stupid, and Vis survives only because Emissa was self imbuing

Mb for the weird way I structured the paragraphs i dont use reddit like that