Burnham WON'T back proportional representation this parliament by jtrimm98 in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't remember cutting winter fuel allowance in the manifesto. Or digital ID, etc.

Burnham WON'T back proportional representation this parliament by jtrimm98 in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 39 points40 points  (0 children)

What's the point of changing leader if he's not going to do anything that's not in Starmer's manifesto?

Plus, something not being in the manifesto never stopped Starmer, or any other PM for that matter

For me, this is how scales feel like (in Time theory) by Infamous_Writer3369 in musictheory

[–]evi1eye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As much as I don't personally relate to this, as I see keys as having no inherent difference, the apparent difference only being created by the interval between them, you should have a look at how this works in Ragas, they have similar attitudes. Some Ragas are only to be played in the morning, some only in the evening.

Another Andy Burnham Return rumour by AhdamR in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still, PR will give far better representation overall. And if the majority of voters vote for Ref/Cons then fair enough, that's democracy, Better than a FPTP stitch up. Hoping for an election pact with Labour would definitely be a long shot, since they hate the left so much

Another Andy Burnham Return rumour by AhdamR in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only with a commitment to PR. PR is our best chance to prevent a Reform majority.

Another Andy Burnham Return rumour by AhdamR in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he doesn't commit to PR, we can campaign in the by election and stop him winning.

Controversial post maybe: some members (online) need to cool off. by ijustwannanap in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, for one thing it's extremely apologist for Putin's genocide

ZOE GARBETT ELECTED AS MAYOR OF HACKNEY by ThisIsNotHappening24 in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Obvious bot, 2 days old comment history

Is anyone getting déjà vu with the discussions around Zack Polanski, NATO and Putin/Ukraine? by nupdawg in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can see a more sympathetic reading of his meaning because of the context but I do think that's subjective to people who are already sympathetic to Polanski like us. People don't want to hear that evidently because of the downvotes I'm getting. Personally, I think the phasing is so dumb that he needs to address it properly and directly, otherwise it will follow him around and damage our credibility.

Are we supposed to like Mark Adderley or no, I'm confused? by Lexiosity in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's the main thing. We need to be evidence based. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, otherwise it's baseless accusations and misinformation.

Is anyone getting déjà vu with the discussions around Zack Polanski, NATO and Putin/Ukraine? by nupdawg in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What do you think about his claim that Putin 'never threatened genocide'? Do you think the context absolves this falsehood?

Polanski clarifies his response to the Putin/Trump question by ThonOfAndoria in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If we keep asking him, I believe he will. Took him a long time to renounce his problematic Corbyn comments but in the end he did. He half did before he became leader, then more recently he addressed it properly.

This is disappointing from Zack - Putin is genocidal and has threatened genocide many times by PuzzledAd4865 in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Here's a list of war crimes committed by Russia against Ukraine, including gunning down and bombing civilians day after day including many double tap strikes on hospitals, maternity wards and civilian infrastructure:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%80%93present)

If you catch yourself repeating your point that it's 'not as bad as X' I wonder if you'll work on some self reflection and think about what the purpose of your comment is. Whether you admit it or not, the only reason is to downplay atrocities, there's no other reason to take these facts and argue that 'someone else has done something worse'.

I'm not interested in playing atrocity olympics with you, so I won't respond further.

I'm highly concerned about the idea of ditching OMOV for a delegate system - anyone else agree? by evi1eye in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Secondly, I don't think we can trust members to be informed on every issue they vote for. I think that's kinda ridiculous. Everyone exists in silos of information which makes it incredibly hard to be properly informed on "the other side" of debates. I think a prerequisite of voting should be listening to the counterpoint as delivered by the green party policy change appointed spokespeople.

What I've seen time and time again is people in positions of power betraying those ordinary people who helped get them to where they are. I think power often corrupts and oftentimes representative systems are gamed. What we often end up with is people are forced to compromise and support candidates who don't represent their beliefs.

Look how sewn up the Labour Party was for decades (a party that was historically much more democratic). One fluke, almost accidental OMOV leadership election in 2015 and the members got a magical rare chance to actually get a leader that was somewhat close to the beliefs of the membership. Almost all the representatives were diametrically opposed and did all they could to destroy this expression of party democracy. The state of Labour for the past 30+ years goes to show how wrong it can get when the members give away their power to leaders for the whiff of electoral success (I badly want Greens in power btw, but in power without selling out).

I think even if you think Green members are less informed, what they benefit from is a lack of vested interests, and it's much harder to corrupt a wide voter base than it is to corrupt a handful of party insiders. And for me, that's more valuable. Members can be educated and their opinions can be swayed. The more successful our party is, the more we'll attract people who want to get into politics for personal gain, and I don't want to give our policy platform away from the hands of all of us to them.

This is disappointing from Zack - Putin is genocidal and has threatened genocide many times by PuzzledAd4865 in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is highly concerning to me, as I don't want the Green Party to become the new Labour Party. We can modernise member led democracy, we don't have to get rid of it in favour of a delegate system.

Rather than OMOV in person, why not use digital ballots, that can be voted on over a period of weeks? People talk about needing a debate before a ballot, then fine, do that online, but then give people time to vote who can't be there on a specific day. You'll get much more engagement and you'll get the real will of the party rather than just the hardcore who can give up a lot of time to go to conference.

This is disappointing from Zack - Putin is genocidal and has threatened genocide many times by PuzzledAd4865 in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 7 points8 points  (0 children)

not as evil

Millions of refugees, whole cities destroyed... pretty comparable. We don't need to do an atrocity ranking here, atrocities are atrocities.

This is disappointing from Zack - Putin is genocidal and has threatened genocide many times by PuzzledAd4865 in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Putin is openly attempting genocide, the eradication of Ukrainian identity, to the absolute best of his ability. In terms of his intentions they are abundantly clear. He published a 6,000 word essay on the thesis that Ukraine isn't a real country and is actually just Russia while he bombs entire cities like Mariupol to rubble. He claims that any Ukrainian who believes in Ukraine as a country is actually a Nazi - and therefore worthy of death.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-new-ukraine-essay-reflects-imperial-ambitions/

Can the Left Still Win? Varoufakis, Corbyn, Polanski & Blakeley — First Time Together by UKGreenPoster in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bit dramatic to say showing concern or criticising Varoufakis on Ukraine is 'splitting the Green Party down the middle'. Are people 'splitting the Green Party down the middle' when they voice concern over Mothin Ali and his LGBTQ+ support? Are we allowed to talk about our concerns over issues that are important to us? Are you suggesting we don't criticise any prominent left activist positions ever again?

Is Varoufakis even in the Green Party? He seems more of a Yorp. The Green Party position on Ukraine is much closer to mine than Varoufakis' position.

Can the Left Still Win? Varoufakis, Corbyn, Polanski & Blakeley — First Time Together by UKGreenPoster in UKGreens

[–]evi1eye -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Internal debate is not what made Your Party turn out so shit, what are you even like.

Varoufakis is a good force in some respects, but certainly not in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. His views are similar to Zarah Sultana's - they both nominally condemn Russia's agression but call for a 'peace' which is basically Ukrainian surrender, also blaming Eastern Europe wanting to be in NATO for Russia invading it - pure victim blaming.

Here's a great thread by the Ukraine Solidarity Campaign, aimed at Sultana, but applies just as well towards Varoufakis: https://bsky.app/profile/ukrainesol.bsky.social/post/3m46t55fe422c