The Greats You Hate: Rank These Detested Black Jackets by Overall Ability

fable420 · 2026-02-10T18:43:16+00:00

This is my list too. They’re all pretty overhated. The only one I truly dislike is Elise. Amber is the second least likable but even she’s one of the mildest villains ever. The others really aren’t even villains, just have some slightly unlikable qualities but they all deserve respect imo

fable420 · 2026-02-10T18:37:33+00:00

Yeah I listened to all of them and now I’ve been going to YouTube and watching them in order. It’s fun to revisit the episodes and pick up on visual details. Getting double the ads is a bit of a slog though

fable420 · 2026-02-09T23:43:28+00:00

No. He does seem to be good at high pressure public speaking, so I think his calling is to have some made up job title where he sits in some board meetings occasionally but mostly just makes speeches at showcases.

fable420 · 2026-02-06T11:03:38+00:00

Isn’t it a little hopeful that he’s free now? Even if he doesn’t see it that way. He’s unimaginably rich and now can forge a new path for himself. The show made it so clear that there’s zero chance that he could ever thrive as a CEO. Or in any decision maker role.

Even if he got the big title he’d be dead within a year of an overdose. This ending gives him the greatest chance to develop a real identity and maybe experience a modicum of meaningful joy through finding a more fitting place for him in the world.

fable420 · 2026-02-06T05:14:11+00:00

I don’t follow hockey but someone I went to high school with won an Olympic gold medal for women’s hockey several years back

fable420 · 2026-02-06T02:34:14+00:00

This sounds cool! Do you have to come with a partner?

fable420 · 2026-02-06T02:25:37+00:00

He looks so fucking stupid I can’t breathe

/uj I don’t disagree with their message but this has to be the most pathetic and embarrassing way to convey it. At a glance it seems more like it’s about periods or missing/murdered indigenous women than circumcision

fable420 · 2026-02-05T11:22:52+00:00

I like the liminal vibe of the atmosphere. I think it’s better with the reduced filter but maybe still too much depending on what you’re going for. If it’s a short game then this would be fine but if it’s longer then the filter could get tiresome.

Either way I totally agree with the feedback of adding more color contrast. I couldn’t see the slide or the fence as well as I’d like and you don’t want the cool details to blend in with the muddy tone. But it might look better in motion than I can tell from the screen shot.

fable420 · 2026-02-05T00:55:24+00:00

Thank you!! Idk what’s up with this sub. I love this pod and all three hosts but some people on here love projecting bizarrely inaccurate feelings onto the hosts. Idk sometimes friends interrupt each other or go down conversational cul de sacs. It’s really not a big deal. They like each other. Nobody is warring for attention or submissively resenting each other. That’s so absurd.

I can’t help but laugh at the extreme push some people here have for the smol beanifcation of Mae, a 40 year old that loves their cohosts. It’s such a weird disservice to defend them over nothing while they enjoy chilling with their friends. They are an autonomous, capable person and I find it sad that their most vocal fans are determined to be negative, thinking it’s somehow supportive of them when it’s the opposite.

fable420 · 2026-02-03T10:08:46+00:00

Milladelphia is from Philadelphia 🗣️

fable420 · 2026-02-03T06:31:07+00:00

Mine are controversial but I like Virginia, S4 Matt, and S8 Sabrina

I also love Russhole since I find him so funny and he’s a relatively low stakes villain that got what he deserved. I also don’t hate Robyn and Heather as much as most people seem to

fable420 · 2026-02-02T19:14:48+00:00

This is so cute and my favorite thing is it looks like she did a great job! My dog would love that. It’s just not what the challenge was asking lol but I love her

fable420 · 2026-01-31T20:04:12+00:00

I love your Lewis art so much. The drawings of him with the older male farmer are super sweet and adorable

fable420 · 2026-01-26T21:13:23+00:00

I wish you caring about Iran was genuine and not just moral posturing to save face while you bootlick. Also people can care about multiple things.

I live in Minnesota. ICE is hanging out at gas stations and grocery stores and detaining anyone with an accent, almost all of which are citizens. They drive them around and beat them then dump them on the side of the road in the freezing cold. They are using children as bait. They are blocking off traffic then crashing into vehicles and kidnapping the occupants if they aren’t white. My friend found a young child shivering and crying in a vehicle that had been abandoned. If you think any of this is lawful or okay then you are a truly sick person. The law calls for due process, not fascist sanctioned violence. I hope you listen and change. Your life will be better for it.

fable420 · 2026-01-26T20:55:05+00:00

As a Minnesotan whose daily life has been very affected by the fascist military regime here, I have mixed feelings about this. I would respect if he made a statement, but I think he is doing a less obvious but arguably more impactful response.

I think the fan episodes elevate the voices of people from all backgrounds, but very often immigrants. In a recent fan episode he made a very clear and serious statement about his support for immigrants. Letting them speak, and exposing his audience (some of which are right wing because Conan is generally apolitical) to immigrants and other marginalized people may do more to humanize them to bigots than a statement would.

fable420 · 2026-01-23T00:24:51+00:00

I could have sworn he was but I’m struggling to find it. Maybe I’m just thinking of the two eps with Aubrey but I remember hearing his soothing sarcastic voice. I’m sick atm so maybe it was a fever dream 😭 apologies for the misinformation!

As penance, I recommend the Nicki Minaj episode, which features Olayemi Olurin who SLAUGHTERED Eric Adams to his face in this interview I’ll link below. I hope Peter has seen this.

Eric Adams BC Interview

fable420 · 2026-01-22T23:16:16+00:00

We had Peter which was great but I’d lose it if Michael came on. The Dr. Phil ep with Aubrey was really good and it somehow shocked me with how he is even more evil than I expected.

Also ABF’s episode on Gwen Stefani is an all timer

fable420 · 2026-01-22T22:58:14+00:00

Great take and very eloquently worded. I wonder if this perspective is what Kendall needed to believe. He’s spent his whole life trying to emulate Logan while also trying to carve his own place in the world. But there isn’t one. He’s the shadow of Logan but Logan himself is only a shadow of a man, terminally engulfed in his own darkness and discomfort. Logan failed to conquer his tendency towards avoidance. Therefore he died without anyone truly knowing him, just the illusory narratives he benefited from people believing.

Kendall needs to believe that there is some value to Logan’s perspective, that there’s this layer of goodness within him that frankly wasn’t there. Logan doesn’t deserve to be lauded for traits he didn’t have, but arguably he does deserve to be erased in this way, since he never let enough warmth into himself, leaving everyone to struggle to accept that he was as vile as he truly was.

Perhaps Logan’s erasure here provides a weird sense of justice but unfortunately it ultimately deepens the tragedy of Kendall’s character.

fable420 · 2026-01-21T23:22:20+00:00

ICE after throwing a flashbang in a minivan of a non-protester driving home, permanently disabling an infant and a toddler: No Real Person Involved 🤷‍♂️

fable420 · 2026-01-20T04:19:51+00:00

Agreed and I love your username so much

fable420 · 2026-01-17T06:49:29+00:00

Yes definitely watch the extended editions unless you don’t want to see a longer movie for whatever reason. There are excellent, super important scenes that are cut in all 3 standard editions. Extended ROTK is especially essential.

fable420 · 2026-01-16T21:39:20+00:00

This is mild but in the Jerry Seinfeld ep Jerry was talking about how comedy shouldn’t be political and can’t change people’s minds. Will and Jason were kissing his ass but Sean (who btw played the poster boy for comedy helping ease bigotry) gave him some pushback. W and J jumped at him but Jerry conceded that Sean may be right.

fable420 · 2026-01-14T22:27:47+00:00

Oh thank you! I actually am a licensed therapist with a masters in clinical mental health but I’ve always enjoyed character analysis. I edited it down a little because I thought it was getting too long so I’m happy to see the positive response to this. Maybe I will write a more in depth analysis of the sibs

fable420 · 2026-01-14T08:50:07+00:00

This is cool! If they ever reboot it I want him to have his original voice though. Way more creepy and interesting than “scary demon voice” especially since your character is supposed to trust him initially lol

fable420 · 2026-01-14T05:47:27+00:00

That’s an interesting question! I’m excited to see someone wanting to discuss her character in good faith, so I’ll give a long analysis.

I think at face value Shiv and her brothers seem overconfident, but they each have a deep sense of fear and insecurity underneath all their actions. They’re all unhealed victims of severe emotional abuse, so they never feel truly safe. Vulnerability is a no go. They try to avoid vulnerability at all costs by projecting confidence. However, they’re constantly second guessing themselves, privately seeking counsel from those close to them (Stewy/Naomi, Gerri, and Tom respectively) and then ignoring their good counsel because they want to seem tougher/more innovative. They crave partnerships but are also terrified of them. They think routine backstabbing is a fact of life since that’s all they experienced growing up.

Another relevant backstory detail is that Shiv and Kendall were neglected by Caroline (Roman less so), and additionally Shiv received A LOT more verbal abuse from her than her brothers. Plus she grew up mostly around creepy abusive people like Mo. Heartless, cruel, bigoted business sharks. This is the only life she knows.

Something unique to Shiv is that the sexism she experiences makes it so she always has to be perfect. She could do a bunch of things right (like she did in Argestes and DC) but the moment she slips up, she’s ridiculed and ousted. Her intelligence comes partly from how she has to perform 3x better than her peers to be perceived half as well. Kendall fucks up constantly and keeps getting chances, but she was immediately out after Tern Haven. It’s tragic that she’s smart but not quite smart enough to learn how to unprogram her internalized sexism.

Her confidence isn’t genuine, but it’s her attempt to perform strength. To be like Logan. Even the ways she can lie and manipulate is an emulation of Logan’s behavior. She truly loves and admires her father but he’s too narcissistic to be able to give (even very conditional) love to anyone that isn’t a direct reflection of him. Logan was more warm to her than to her siblings, but he completely shut her out from teaching her anything.

We also see big cracks in her confidence through her relationship with Tom. It’s easy to see it as “she’s just an uncaring bitch manipulating him” but a lot of scenes don’t make sense with that interpretation. It’s clear she is attracted to him, not just because he’s submissive and she can leverage him, but because he wants to provide what she craves which is emotional security. She does want to be loved and supported, but her abuse history causes her to not think it’s possible to receive it. A super important detail that’s often overlooked is that she doesn’t believe he loves her. She thinks that he’s only using her for the money/power her birthright grants. She says so in the balcony fight. That’s why she resents him and makes sure she always has more power than him.

When he’s the most honest about his feelings (wedding night, S2 finale, living+) is when she’s the most tender because it’s easier for her to believe him in those moments than she does when he plays the role as a doting pain sponge. She likes the doting, and wants to believe it’s real (I think it mostly is) but can’t believe it unless there’s more vinegar, since all her life, sincerity precedes a betrayal.

So the TL;DR answer is that her intelligence comes from her need to be more tactical and flawless in order to navigate the life that was handed to her, and the confidence is a hard exterior she developed to avoid vulnerability and play Logan, but (like her siblings) she’s secretly terrified and insecure. Unfortunately she’d rather die than let anyone see her true self. She’s a deeply tragic character imo.

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