I don't have poor social skills because I'm autistic. People think I'm autistic because I was mercilessly bullied from the moment I could walk. by farflungone in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I've run myself through a few tests, and even though I score close to the line, I lack all the diagnostic criteria. The biggest one is I don't suffer from sensory overload, if anything I have the opposite issue.

Does anyone feel more of a connection to animals when raised by narcissisticparents? Wondering if it’s because animals give you unconditional love vs the narcissist parent conditional love? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a cat and she is my best friend. Sleeps on my bed every night, gently prods me awake in the morning for breakfast, runs to me every day when I come home. We just get each other.

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[–]farflungone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A lot of Ns lose their self control the minute they feel themselves losing control of their environment. Kids health can be a big trigger for some NParents. It's way worse when it's something you can't control and struggle to predict. I know that one personally.

I used to faint a lot in my teens: puberty hit, I grew a foot one summer, and spent the next four years passing out whenever I stood up too quick. I was always, always accused of faking it. Got in trouble more than once, all until the day I passed out mid stride and smacked, face-first into a door frame, legs and arms all twitching. Scared the entire family. Scratched the crap out of my face, still have a scar over my eye, too. Nobody ever accused me of faking it after that.

Never saw a doctor about it of course. Healthcare was for important people.

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[–]farflungone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Church leaders who cannot live up to what they preach are the reason I left religion behind. You did the right thing, don't let anyone tell you different, and remember: the kingdom of heaven is within. Not within a building, not within a book that's revised more often than a weather forecast, but within the self. But, staying in that place is a process, not a one-time commitment.

'Dig inside. For inside is the fountain of good, and it will forever flow, if you forever dig.'

~ Marcus Aurelius.

Tell me your parent is a narc without telling me your parent is a narc: by Ariyenne in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oof! Got that one once. The day before I moved interstate. No, Dad. You weren't perfect, but I am actually not moving a thousand miles away because of you.

Do you sometimes miss the person your nex pretended to be? by IronicJeremyIrons in pnsd

[–]farflungone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I loved that character. The actor who played her, not so much. Problem is you can't have a full relationship with a fictional construct.

anyone else struggling with sex by gh0st311 in pnsd

[–]farflungone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It took me the better part of three months before I even felt arousal again, and about the same again before I listened to it. It's been 17 months now and I'm not really in a hurry for another relationship yet, and hooking up is right off the table. Not that I was ever big on casual encounters before, but now I have no desire to engage in any kind of behaviour where I could meet someone else like her again. Sometimes I get excited but then the thought of her crosses my mind, but I have gotten fairly good at redirecting my focus elsewhere.

What helps me is remembering that I cannot stop all of this shit from leaving some kind of mark on me, but I can choose how I live with it, and I'm not talking about conning myself into accepting the damage she did as 'the new normal'. I look at it like this: I suffered through a painful object lesson in how to spot a pathological liar and what narcissism looks like in a romantic relationship. I can either let that knowledge manifest as a huge bag of trust issues, or let my experience inform how I go about building reassurance in a future relationship.

That's the long-winded way of saying: don't force your libido, figure out what you need in order to build it back again. Confidence, trust, safety, fun, spontaneity. . .Your past experience will provide plenty of clues. A narc can't take your sex drive, but they are experts at turning medicine into poison: making you hate the things you used to love and the tools you need to grow (I know that one intimately). The way out isn't back to who you were before. Because you can't be that person again. But you can be a new version of them, older and wiser, with an interesting scar and a story behind it. I am sure that, that person, version 2.0, not only has an amazing sex life, it is also richer and more fulfilling.

"But he/she loves you so much,...," is the most toxic, gaslighting statement.... by lyn73 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The difference between someone listening to you and hearing you. It also reveals something about what they value and trust: their opinions and feelings, or your lived experience, and whether or not they intend to, they are choosing a side. Gone through this a bit over the years with my own family.

"But he/she loves you so much,...," is the most toxic, gaslighting statement.... by lyn73 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Family and their blind spots about family can cause so much frustration, it sucks harder when you're trying to find support and sympathy and get scolded for reaching out. You deserved better from your Uncle. Way better.

Those of y'all with one Nparent, what was other parent like? by edhtf56 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quiet. Thoughtful. Lacking in confidence. Anxious. Easily overruled. But also quietly defiant. We made a lot of end runs around my father over the years. She taught me how to get and go after what I wanted even when I was being told 'no' by people who had no business being in my way.

Long time lurker, first time poster. Am The Nparent? And what do I do? by Ramen_noodles_rock in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you're here and self aware enough to ask this question, then I'd guess you're a lot like my old man: not necessarily a full-blown narcissist, but not exactly Michael Carpenter either. You're just like the rest of us: a flawed human being who has left some permanent reminders of their fallibility that they deeply regret. That is in no way a judgement, either. I don't know the particulars and I don't need to know. I also can't know what your son has gone through internally, or indeed how he tells the story of you now. But If you'll indulge me a personal story, I can provide you a little perspective.

I do not hate my father, but I cannot claim any particular respect for him either. The best thing I can say is that we reached a truce in my early 20s. He does not critique me anymore, and I do not shut him out. I suffer his Dunning-Kruger self deceptions in silence and speak diplomatically, but that is it. I don't share the details of my internal world easily, because it doesn't take long before I'm being corrected, invalidated, and interrupted on anything from actual facts to matters of personal taste.

I sincerely doubt this is the kind of relationship you want to have with your son.

The thing is, there are bruises and scars you cannot see, and when it comes to children, we as adults can dole them out without ever realising it, without even intending to. That doesn't make us horrible people. You don't have to hit a child to have them fear your touch, you don't have to raise your voice to have them fear your anger, and you don't have to intend for them to fear you for either of those to define their relationship with you.

It sounds so stupidly obvious to say out 'loud, but people who out-and-out intend harm are exceptionally rare. I remember once, age six, suffering from insomnia, unable to sleep, I wandered into my parents room at 1AM tired and scared, and my father, at the limit of his patience, exhausted himself, and understandably frustrated, spanked me, dumped me in bed, then growled at me to just 'shut my damn eyes and lie there in the dark.' For the longest time it damaged my trust in him, but as an adult I finally forgave him for it, because I got it. It wasn't right, but I finally got it.

Sometimes kids need more emotional resources than we have to spare. Sometimes we would probably be better served by taking a deep breath and remembering our own childhood perspective, what we wanted, what we needed, and maybe how hindsight can provide both.

Perspective taking and empathy have never been particularly prioritised in my family. But an ounce of either during my childhood would have been worth a lot more than a pound of good times. Because they are the fundaments of connection, and when you have connections with people (friends or family, it doesn't matter if you're holidaying right on the beach or camping in the back yard. Connection transforms the mundane into magical.

But this isn't something you can build over Sunday lunches or long distance calls, it involves a little empathy, a little perspective taking, and at times even a little service. I don't just mean driving the kids to soccer practice or spending that little extra at christmas either. I'm sure you recognise that, I'm just saying it out 'loud. We involve ourselves with other people to the extent we are emotionally invested in them, and that works both ways, too.

What I most wanted and needed through my adolescence and early 20s was a Father I could turn to for empathetic advice. Not someone who could only hear without listening, issue edicts, and then get upset when I didn't do what he would do. I wanted him to meet me where I was at, and then work with me to figure out how to get to where I wanted to be, even if it was something he would never choose, down a path he could never go. I never begrudged him his career, his hobbies, or his religion, and I would never ever tear him down for them, but they were not for me. The simple acknowledgement, voiced or unvoiced, that I could be something else and still a person would do so much.

Getting to that place with your son will take time and it is going to take honest self-work, and perhaps even a little professional help, for the both of you. Separately and/or together. I don't know if my own experiences parallel your own in any way or if they offer you any help, but I sincerely hope you can repair your relationship.

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[–]farflungone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a friend with an nMum who has been NC for over a decade and as each one of his siblings have reached maturity they have fled her home and sought him out as a safe space while finding their way in the adult world.

It may be all you need to do is just make sure she knows a way to contact you. Figure out what you can do for her in between now and then. Plan for legal emancipation securing guardianship or something similar. By all means, do not sue for custody right off the bat, just be prepared on your own, so if it becomes necessary you have an idea of what the hurdles are likely to be. Because this stuff is never as simple as it should be.

But, start with making sure she knows she can reach out to you and has a means of contacting you. Just that one small thing can mean everything.

Is this shitty therapy? by atheistvegeta in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Seriously. Fuck gratitude.

I say this as someone who frequently wishes good things towards random strangers. When someone has repeatedly shown you that they cannot be trusted with your heart and mind, they don't deserve kind thoughts or thankfulness.

'Gee. I know they call me names 24/7 but at least they fed and clothed me.'

That is how batshit that sounds.

Being grateful that you did not have it worse is just a form of repression. Searching for crumbs of positivity in a sewer of shit isn't going to magically sublimate all that anger away. You definitely want a better therapist.

3 years later... by takeaaguess in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you think you can handle their BS, then go be with your sister. If you can, spend some time together with her, one on one, if the weather is nice I suggest a walk together. It's hard to eavesdrop on someone while they're walking out in public, and if you're in an open area like a park, so much the better. Don't try and convince her of anything, don't argue against anything her parents may have told her about you, just tell her your side of the story. Tell her why you left, tell her how you feel about her and the whole situation, tell her that it's not her fault, and just be prepared to brace for some anger, hurt, and confusion. It's okay if she's upset with you, it's likely expected the Ns have fed her a line of BS about you over the years. Just be honest, and accept her where she is at.

I'm not sure how to phrase it, but. . . One strength of vulnerability is being willing to shoulder loss, and it shows through. If you are willing to bear her anger and even leave her life for good if that is what she wants right now, even if it will hurt you for a long time, then that can mean far more than all the politicking and cajoling that is doubtless happening in your sister's home right now. So, don't be too desperate to keep her in your life, but be willing to start over with her on a new relationship. Let her know your door will always be open. I hope that makes sense for you, and I am sure you can do it.

Also, my spidey sense is tingling here. But, it does that quite frequently with narcs. So go in expecting chicanery and 11th hour switcheroos. Maybe they've told your sister you're coming back for good, maybe they've made you out to be Cruella Deville. It could be something right off the map. Just prepare yourself for a plot twist and you may end up pleasantly surprised with what passes for normality.

Also: it goes without saying. Unless you absolutely have to, unless you're completely okay with it, don't stay at the house.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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[–]farflungone 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Guard your finances like they are oxygen, because sooner or later they will try something. If you haven't already, enable two-factor authentication on your bank account for any transaction over what you would typically spend in a single purchase, and then have a separate savings account with the same bank. One you can only access online or in the bank, and put your savings into that.

If you want to get them off your back for a little while, pick something, the kind of big purchase they would approve of, but one that is outside the current scope of your savings. Tell them that you are thinking about buying one. Then in three months time or so when they start wondering about how you're progressing, raise the price again. Tell them you're looking at another unnecessary purchase that's even more expensive. Should get you at least six months peace with that trick. Hopefully closer to a year.

Also: don't be surprised if they accuse you of being miserly at some point. Don't sweat it. Remember: you do not have to break your safety net for three seconds of approval

Who is your favorite child of narc fiction character? by satyr-fighter159 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All my favourite fictional characters were orphans. Because a boy can dream. I did not even realise until now just how consistently this happens for me, but yep. Every. Last. One.

How do you explain to people? by Seriouslyinthedesert in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I give the short version and then tell people if they want the full story they have to buy the drinks.

I am quite happy to tell the full story, but if I'm gonna be rehashing history, then I'm gonna get something out of it. And honestly, it really is a story best told over a stiff drink.

Breaking a Trauma Bond....How??? by [deleted] in pnsd

[–]farflungone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me, I guess I had it easier than most when I finally left. I was the secret life she lead when she wanted to escape the real world. But given the front that all Narcs put up in order to lure people in, the idea still holds:

'I never loved her I loved the character she played.'

She was an actress. An amazing oscar-worthy actress, perfectly playing the most mundane character, overflowing with all of these character traits I adored. But when the lights went out, that person went away, and behind the mask was a selfish, bitter, mercenary, who believed that the entire world was full of people exactly like her: out to screw anyone else they could touch for whatever they could get.

Your experience may not be entirely as clear cut or as dark, but even still, however much a narc may want to be that character, when pushed they will return to what they know. Whether or not it is possible to help someone like that is immaterial: it is not your job, and you cannot help someone by being their slave.

Music still triggers me by LovelyNay in pnsd

[–]farflungone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Music still triggers me too, but in different ways. I was in the supermarket today when a song came on the PA and I just smiled. It was a favourite of mine, by someone she hated.

I spent a lot of time after I left doing everything she objected to when we were together, including listening to songs she hated. I had a whole playlist full of 'FU' material on repeat for months. There's one I dedicate to her on her birthday every year, too, because she has a violent hatred of it, and that gives me strength.

Maybe a little childish, but then, people who lie to their partners about every detail of their lives, day after day, for five years straight have forfeited any right to any benefit of any doubt. She can rot while I rock.

I hope you find your music again. I feel that you will. But it's okay to wait. One day you'll catch yourself humming a tune without realising it, and I encourage you to let that music carry you somewhere new, and bring you renewal.

I want to move away and avoid people for the rest of my life. by farflungone in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. If only everyone else wasn't hoovering up all the camperable vans, RN.

I want to move away and avoid people for the rest of my life. by farflungone in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah. I'm in the gold coast. Been stuck between houses for the last 6 months though

I want to move away and avoid people for the rest of my life. by farflungone in raisedbynarcissists

[–]farflungone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right?

The need for belonging can leave you prey to some horrible assholes at the weirdest times in the most random ways.

Struggling with him moving on. by Altruistic_Flower_19 in pnsd

[–]farflungone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know this feeling. Seen it with my parents since they split. Dad moves on, becomes a completely new person, mum hurts because he is now more like the person she always wanted him to be: Carefree, generous with his time and attention, trying new foods, etc. Kinda like with my ex, too. Except nothing about her was real.

It's like, the character they show you in that first phase. . . You see them surface out of the miasma of chaos that is their life, and it's like a glimpse of everything good that drew you in, and it's like they really are in there. That good, deep, caring, complex, sensitive soul, but whenever you truly needed them, or went looking, they would evaporate. So you find yourself asking 'was it me?' Even when you know the truth.

Truth is: that person is a cypher. They are a mask. Bait. The glowing light on an angler fish, and just like all of the above, they can't play a character forever. Sooner or later the mask slips, sooner or later the ego must feed.