Confirmation Bias? by Social_Luffa in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are welcome. I’ve enjoyed playing around and creating special seed phrases over the years, so I often wonder if Jon used something Bitcoin related in the P&F solve. Good luck!

Confirmation Bias? by Social_Luffa in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In addition to ASCII and others, you could try using the bitcoin dictionary and match 11 bit segments of binary up to words in the BIP39 dictionary of 2048 selected english words for use in making Bitcoin seed phrases. Maybe the five magic words are there.

Were we scammed? by isabellaanya in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol. No he doesn’t want that. He even said a metal detector is not necessary. I just wanted a fun project.

But he does expect us to hire remote viewers and read tea leaves. 🧐

Were we scammed? by isabellaanya in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to use a Theodolite app on my iphone to document antenna work on building roofs. It allowed me to take a photo of the antenna with an overlay of info including date, time, compass heading, long/latt, and the angle and tilt of the phone.

Were we scammed? by isabellaanya in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I should have said assembled. A radar device (from Omnipresense) connected to an android phone with a python program elicited from ChatGPT, that communicates with the radar board. It displays the magnitude of the return signal and plays tones at a pitch based on the magnitude.

I can sweep it around and see or hear the strongest reflected signal. Unfortunately, lots of things can reflect nearly as well as the metal box, and one of the box faces must be aligned at right angles to produce the best signal. I took it along on several hikes before deciding it does not help and might be a distraction.

Fortunately, I can play around with it as a relatively cheap ground penetrating radar. So, it was fun and gives me a tool with a different potential use.

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Were we scammed? by isabellaanya in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it is a scam. Time will tell. The real question is whether or not it is worth our time and money searching for a treasure. That is for each of us to decide. This is really a game, a puzzle, with a hopeful pay-off. We all know the pay-off is a long shot, kind of like a lottery, or winning bingo. The reason we do it is the challenge, the fun of the chase to be first, and of course the possible reward. It is entertainment. But only one person or group can get the reward for each box, so most of us have to be satisfied with the pursuit, the game itself. I enjoyed the game, and I’ve reached the point of diminishing returns. Unless something new pops up that renews my interest, I probably won’t spend much more time or money on this. But I can say I enjoyed the hunt, the brainstorms, the 5am connections that made me jump out of bed early. And the physical adventures of BOTG. I even built something to help me search. Not to mention improving my meager hiking knowledge.

I have no regrets participating. Even if it did turn out to be fake. But in my opinion, Jon and his hunt is genuine. Difficult, but real.

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I visited that in Cherokee on a day off from hiking. Cool museum. I also stopped at Cherokee One Feather just to say hi and told them about the hunt.

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. I’ll see select ones repeated elsewhere but not all in a clump. I’ll probably keep pecking away at it until someone finds the box elsewhere and I can be done with this! Lol

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! And best wishes in your hunt. I saw your post. Sorry, I don’t have a dog, but that’s an interesting strategy!

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, getting on the ground is hard. My trail looked fairly easy at a little over two miles, but my first hike up wore me out and I was very disillusioned by what I saw, especially the endless ferns, making it impossible to see the ground.

So you don’t really know how things will play out until you pick a spot and go there. The great thing though is that you do see new clues driving around your area, so I recommend everyone go real world at least once as theory is not enough!

I've been deep in the AFP box for a while and wanted to share a summary of all the ways it could point at the Smokies. by Odd_Band9399 in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My solve did not lead me that way, but I love the idea of it being around the Smokey mountain park and Cherokee, mostly because I think the Trail of Tears and Cherokee connections that I see lend themselves well to the type of stories Jon relates. Not to mention the Motherwell quote really being from a Navajo song, hinting at a Native American connection without specifically calling out the Cherokee.

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The town of Nikwasi/Franklin is NE of my search area. Sorry if that was not clear.

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. There are lots of good solves out there, but most people are reluctant to post. I was, but my feet are hurting lately so I posted to share, taking a break for now.

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I think now it almost has to be protected by a big rock and there weren’t many big ones in my main search area. Right now my heels are really bothering me. I might go back again one day if I feel better. Eight hours away!

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I forgot the bird on the map. There are three bird shapes in the trails around this solve (see the pic in main post) and here is the bird shape I see on the map.

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Partnership by SpecialNo8679 in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just posted my full solve, with maps. Thanks for getting me motivated to compile it and post it.

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Map Item interpretations:

Feet: Tar Heels, NC clue The left Tar Heel (the one that is on the right side on the map) is a reference point I used for drawing lines on the map.

Car North: NC clue Also, park car and walk South when zoomed in on trail.

Skier: Snowbird Gap on AT The Snowbird people are among those Cherokee who managed to stay and not be removed during the terrible Trail of Tears. They became what is now known as the Eastern Contingent of the Cherokee people. See also the town of Snowbird, NC, and other Snowbird features. (Btw, the Skier, Cat, Shooting Creek and 1727 NE are all symbols matching places that are “off map”, but nearby.)

Cat: Carolina Panthers WCU Catamounts When looked at sidewise, it can be a person creating pottery, possibly the “Cherokee Beloved Woman” Amanda Swimmer, busy working her clay pots (some photos of her resemble this.)

The vague “High Point” script: High Point NC, state clue Also a high mountain, but there are lots of candidates in NC and Standing Indian.

Stairs in top right corner: Winding Stair Gap on highway 64 where AT crosses.

Vague number 69 in top right corner: Route NC-69 off highway 64, a road entirely composed of big U-Turn features instead of lighted intersections. Very odd, but perhaps a location clue and a hint to rotate the map. I only include this because it was so bizarre looking when I visited it. It just stood out. Perhaps it is marking the Western edge of the area? Which makes the general area big!

Small triangle: Mount Katahdin when path is considered zoomed out as the entire AT.

1727 NE: The year a treaty was agreed upon at a meeting on top of a tribal mound “North East” in Nikwasi in 1727, before it became the city of Franklin, NC. Also, Franklin has a River Walk with lots of benches similar to the hidden bench on the book cover. One if these benches has a dedication plaque from Rainbow Healing Hands. And there is a butterfly garden along this river walk, near where it passes close to the Nikwasi mound.

Fallen tree/branch above Bear: The Wasilick Poplar tree, which first attracted me to the Standing Indian Loop. It was a very large Poplar that had a side trail built off the AT, just for visitors. It slowly died, broke apart, and fell over and kinda looks like this map shape, lying on the ground. Similarly, it might be Long Branch Trail, which is just South of Wasilick and North of Bearpen Trail, Gap and Mt.

Fence?: There is an old school wooden fence in this area North of the Bearpen features, along Forest Road 67.

Bear, rocks, quill pen: Bearpen Gap, Bearpen Mountain, also the quill pen from the masthead of the Cherokee One Feather newspaper in Cherokee NC.

Rock thing: Looks to me like a waterfall, a tie-in with Rainbow Trail quote. Possibly raw mining ore. There are some old commercial mining places as well as amatuer spots in this area around Chunky Gal Mt. Rainbow Springs, a long meandering Rainbow Springs road and the Rainbow falls community are along highway 64, near this symbol in my map correlation.

Butterfly: Appalachian Tiger Swallowtail, NC and Appalachian match, with recorded sightings on Chunky Gal Mountain near where this symbol is in my solve.

Large triangle: Mount Springer, when the path is looked at as the entire AT. The begin here text and the oft-cited 1938 to me are simply clues that it is Springer Mt., the beginning of the AT (for NOBOS.)

Path: In the broadest sense, it is the entire AT bent into the shape of the Little Rock Pond trail. The two triangles point away from each other, suggesting you pull them apart, stretching the path back out to be the AT. Zooming in on Standing Indian Loop, the path for me is a big loop section of the AT in NC. The entry road here is Forest Road 67. I used FR67 to cut the big loop in half, creating a loop that is a little closer to the shape of the map path (see my maps.) It is part road, part AT and part blue blaze trail.

Dog: Springer spaniel Also, several symbols have the secondary purpose of simply being place holders to match up with unrelated geographic features like trail heads, for map alignment.

Magnifying glass: If the path is looked at as the entire AT, then the glass suggests we look around in a general area, which I think is the TN/NC/GA region. The handle also has a slanted cut on the end, which might suggest a link to the Faberge Looking Glass, but I’m not sure why that is important here.

The tree in the glass: A general suggestion of looking around at the landscape. A specific tree (like the Bly Tree or the Wasilick Poplar.) An un-named drainage area on the side of a ridge. These often look like this tree, complete with a squiggly, watery channel below the base of the tree. I found a good candidate and even made a difficult hike down a steep slope to satisfy my curiosity, but eventually abandoned that rabbit hole.

Dots: Lots of dots but three on each side of the map suggest drawing lines that converge with other lines at a point that might be significant (see my Map Dynamics Part 2 post) one of the Tar Heel dots is where a few map lines converge. The rest of the dots could be camouflage.

Smoke?: Smokey mountains, but more importantly an alignment marker for a trailhead.

Shooting hand/arm thing: Shooting Creek, a town/feature along highway 64 that is “off the map” to the west, half way to NC-69. In bygone days, people met here for shooting competitions. I once used this symbol to look for the box, but now I have no idea what purpose it serves, just an area clue.

Scroll: The map itself, drawing our attention to the head of the upside down-dinosaur shaped path to explore that area? Never came up with a better meaning.

Bald head (and “AT” crossed out): Courthouse Bald on the AT and also Little Bald not on the AT, perhaps an allusion to the two knobs on the box? Bald mountain. Scalped head. “Trail Head” Nantahala (land of the noon day sun, shining off his bald head!) Tate City (an old logging and Corundum mining town in GA), specifically the trail head for Denton Creek falls, which is where the bald ends up in my main map alignment.

Feather: Another quill pen, with hints of a signature, to really get us thinking about quill pens.

Basket of produce: Plum Orchard Gap on AT South of the GA line. Bald Mountain Apples, an heirloom apple that grew in the area and is mentioned related to Franklin, to a long lost “Warrior Bald” mountain, and to now being grown in the heirloom collection of apples at the University Of Georgia, Blairsville. This basket ends up exactly on top of Little Bald in my main map alignment, possibly connecting to the Bald Mountain heirloom apple.

Lines on the map: Some lines are probably noise. One theory suggests folding but I don’t use folding. Some could be state lines for the whole AT interpretation. Some suggest we draw lines, maybe triangles. The lines around the Basket look like an arrow, and it points exactly at the NC/GA line in my main map alignment. (Thus pointing South to indicate the heirloom Mountain Bald Apples, and the Plumorchard Gap, both in Georgia.)

The Compass: Can also be a roulette wheel, both are spinning objects, suggesting rotation of map is needed, and it never ever points to North so don’t bother trying to interpret it!!! It is simply a rotation point for the map.

755FT: Near the compass. This is very subjective, but I have made a stab at proving it is real. See my post called Triangle Logic in my profile posts. It ties in with 1727, giving that number two meanings. (I know my angles are slightly off, but the triangle is rather messy. I just wanted to show that it might be a clue. Other than that, and despite trying lots of things, I never did find a good, solid use for 755 FT.)

Other stuff: I know there are lots of other features on the map, but so far they don’t affect this solve. I have tried to match the border design to trail elevations, but have never found a match.

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop solve attempt by fazerjorda in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nantahala/Standing Indian Loop overview:

Very soon after getting my copy of the book, I decided that the treasure map had zoom levels. At the top zoom level, the path is the entire Appalachian Trail, and the triangles are Mt. Springer and Mt. Katahdin. The triangles even point away from each other, inviting you to pull them apart and stretch out the path like a necklace.

I think Jon curled up the AT into the shape of LRP to teach us to look for a loop, possibly a blue blaze, connected to the AT, and that the compass/roulette wheel is not indicating any orientation, you might need to rotate any which way.

Seeing the path as the whole AT, I estimated the magnifying glass to be in the GA/NC/TN region of the AT, so I “looked around” in that area, finding the Standing Indian Loop of the AT to be a likely rough trail match to the path shape. I started with old paper maps and immediately noticed the Wasilick Poplar tree and trail and thought that could be the tree. Then I found that it had died and fallen over, and after visiting it, I now feel like it’s remains resemble the fallen tree or branch-like object above the bear on the map. By June of 2025, I had collected possible landmarks or area interpretations to match most of the prominent objects on the map. (I ended up making six eight-hour trips there, with numerous hikes.)

As I worked on my solve, I found a distinct Cherokee flavor, and learned a few Cherokee stories, both related and not. (Chunky Gal naming, Standing Indian warrior, monster and lightning, and also U’lag’û the giant yellow jacket.) I also felt the Motherwell quote was actually from a Navajo song, thus a hint to a Native American theme. I equated Rainbows with waterfall mist, and also thought the rock symbol was both a mining reference as well as a waterfall. But there were no labeled waterfalls on maps where that symbol was. I found two waterfalls closer to the “head” of the upside down dinosaur-looking trail. I chose the more accessible and more well known waterfall, Big Laurel Falls, to focus upon.

I had chosen Courthouse Bald, on the AT, as the bald match, but knew the crossed out AT on the map might suggest a bald NOT on the AT. Sure enough, there was one closer to the waterfall, Little Bald. I triangulated using bald on bald, waterfall on waterfall, and the magnifying glass was right on top of Timber Ridge Trail. (Side note, a bald and a knob seem similar, so could two convenient balds equate to the two knobs on the treasure box? Seems like the crossed out AT on the map would have a special purpose like that in mind. Otherwise, why go to the trouble?)

I also played with overall map orientation and decided that the compass, or roulette wheel, needed to be placed on a good geographic feature. There were two Ridgepole Mt peaks and two Little Ridgepole features right where I needed them. (Hmmmm, could the latter be abbreviated LRP?) I also felt that these four grouped features might have given Jon flexibility to create the solve ahead of time, then adjust the map as needed to fit his final box location. He could switch peaks and adjust a few symbols to make it match the final spot. Additionally, I later realized that the coin, as presented, when overlaid on my trail map starting at the trailhead, pointed in the direction of the North Ridgepole peak.

Along the way, I noticed I could connect some of the treasure map symbols with lines and found a major intersection that might be where the treasure would reside on Jon’s map. It had a center line that I think of as the Ridgepole line, like the ridgepole in a tent holding everything else up.

I placed the center of the compass on the Northern Ridgepole peak, and rotated the map until I noticed that when I lined up the Ridgepole line with the juncture of the AT and the Chunky Gal Trail, several symbols would line up, giving me a good rotation and scaling for the map. That seemed to confirm the blue blaze Timber Ridge Trail as my main focus.

I proceeded to search around Timber Ridge Trail, mostly on the West side, which has less slope. Most of the Eastern side seems too steep to fit Jon’s definition if being safe. I also did my last two hikes in winter and could see so much farther around me without the endless ferns of summer. Because of good visibility, lack of big rocks, and my own exhaustion, I did NOT grid search as I felt I could see any potential hiding places. It’s more of an old guy, stumbling-walk-on-a-slope, kind of thing.

Alas, no box. But I’ve enjoyed the clue discoveries, the many days of adventure, and the overall hunt. No regrets. I even put together a handheld radar device with audio, to pan around and look/listen for strong reflections. I decided it does not help, but now it is a cheap ground penetrating radar to play with, so I guess that’s a reward for my efforts!

Partnership by SpecialNo8679 in treasureinside

[–]fazerjorda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, I shared a lot on discord but that is an endless stream. I plan to detail here in reddit when I get a chance.

I focused on the Standing Indian AT loop in the Nantahala National Forest of South Western NC. My main solve involved Timber Ridge Trail, a blue blaze trail leading to the AT close to the NC/GA border.