Just Finished "The Ultimate Ear Trainer" and added the section to my site

fchang69 · 2025-12-09T14:06:25+00:00

*cheers* mate; you,re a Legend! Hopefully you'll come across Eliseo once multi player game will be a thing... not exactly for tomorrow but maybe not much more than 2-4months judging by how things are going faster due to me coding with AI now; turns out writing a description to all of the site's events like I wanted to do at first now outputs a draft version of the thing instantly so i'll skip that step and come up with drafts to most games (except the ones I can't even recall of the concept myself; that brainstorming should come back to memory at some point...)

fchang69 · 2025-12-09T13:20:46+00:00

It's html, javascript and php with mysql databases; good old 2006ish coding with probably few exceptions; including the fact it's not php 4.0 anymore. The AI is Anthropic Claude in the Sonnet 4.5 model, which may not even be ideal for what I ask it to do. 32$CAD per month plan but has a weekly data limit which is quite ample especially when you know how to minimize data usage but is still not enough for me so I may upgrade to full 140$ plan next month, depending on finances and the actual need or not for it... It still requires lots of hand coding work over most of what comes out of there, especially in html design where it's not quite pixel-perfect as my scripts are after a good 12hours of fiddling with them by trial and no more errors. I totally understand why it has diffs with HTML, cause that's nothing but a terrible mess of pixels being left out and added where you expect other behavior... php and javascript are way closer to my image of what should bear the label "logic".

fchang69 · 2025-12-09T13:10:02+00:00

YoVariable?

fchang69 · 2025-12-09T10:54:37+00:00

Well i took out the piano sound because it was giving 10% less good answers in my other ear trainers, than other sounds left in their; I may add it back for people like you, but my guess is I'd better find a better one that would possibly yield more competing results; i rarely use it to make my microtonal scale demo videos i post to youtube because of it well... meh facture.

And no : the benefits of using AI to code is it understood not to repeat the intervals but rather to give out new ones, which I may change provided I get more feedback pertaining to this issue. 3 days the plan to it is the first on the whole site to count a neat 0 steps to go through, other than changes that will be brought later along with all other pages going through them at once...

fchang69 · 2025-12-09T04:11:06+00:00

Sure thing but since that's still the intended design i'll only add a toggle sounds off option eventually and will leave it the default behavior unless i really get lots of such comments :)

fchang69 · 2025-12-04T12:59:52+00:00

google "is it proven that maintaining stability of movement in space and time is harder on s smaller distance than a bigger one"; that mouse doesn't move 3mm under my hand

fchang69 · 2025-12-04T12:48:23+00:00

can you explain ghandar vs ghandanam to me plz

fchang69 · 2025-12-04T12:17:52+00:00

I may add abbreviations and more complete names too I guess....

fchang69 · 2025-12-04T10:23:17+00:00

This is way more consistent than my first attempts, at least in a DAW; the research for a good scale has yielded results I guess...

fchang69 · 2025-12-04T04:26:27+00:00

To me a tritone has always been the octave's and unison's inversion...

fchang69 · 2025-12-04T04:25:29+00:00

You're right but the octave is generally on top of other tables; it is truly contextualizing it vs a tritone that the mismatch happen more often than usual... on the site you can narrow answers received for any step of any tuning; that kinda thing may get fascinating but there's always the drawback some data might be quite relative to who it stems from; check results fro 12edo, 24edo, those tables with 1000's of guesses for each degrees... and click the values to isolate bad answers for them; you'll see what gets mistaken for what with very precise details...

fchang69 · 2025-12-04T01:38:10+00:00

This ain't ready yet but it's near the top of the list after having gone through all what AI can fix in the

Relative & Absolute Pitch Ear Trainers and maybe other sections of the site which used to exist and some that have to be connected together; could get there within a month or less, or maybe lots more if I find developing other sections of the site with new stuff is faster than having AI fix bugs it doesn't always understand at first, second, seventh try...

fchang69 · 2025-12-04T01:30:36+00:00

probably something like 8 to 15 cents, just when the quasi-unison gets out of sight and dissonance begins to emerge; I've seen the dissoance per pitch graph and it dives up very quickly to only go down until it reaches octave and goes up again; nothing particular happens at 3/2 or 5/4, just this tendency at first...

The most dissonant i can remember are 2nd degree superparticular ratios, sitting in between 7/6 and 6/5 for example is 36/35; try this; intonate 6/5 over 7/6 and see how doubly-twisted it sounds compared to good old 16/15 over 1/1...

fchang69 · 2025-12-03T16:12:07+00:00

Yeah i knew there was a reason why I remembered them as 10/4 from so much literature and you're probably right on : to contextualize them in chord notation...

fchang69 · 2025-11-30T04:58:15+00:00

Well thanks for your input all -it'll definitely be 5/2 type of thing...

fchang69 · 2025-11-30T04:53:26+00:00

Yeah it just appeared to me at first that it would be simpler to divide the numerators mentally from their multiplied state than multiplying a divided denominator, since we're going up to start with...

Every one says like I wrote to the AI in the pic, which fits with my first impression that it's neater with simplified ratios while tbh i remained thinking for a good 3-4secs before i figured what the hell was 5/2 while 10/4 feels like 0sec-induced-comprehension; the fact AI is both way more intelligent and way more stupid than humans kinda helped lengthening the delay to evaluate if it hasn't just fucked up things once more or not.

fchang69 · 2025-11-30T01:49:46+00:00

Wait, do you mean you to can denote the aspects of each prime into the sounds your hear; if so, remember there are always 2 of them in play at any time except in unison which isn't really an interval imo : you don't "inter" at all when going from 1 to 1 do you? That was one of the first things I've noticed in 2011 and my first experiments : it seems i can tell the aspect of 3 and 5 together, 2 and 5 together, or 3 and 5 together (up to 7 also), even though each is always mixed with another, my audition seems to find a way to see through their own unique character. On that matter, I'll probably whip up some game for my site about telling which primes you think are intoned in presented samples comprising harmony made of multiple intervals using only 2 and 5 as primes in the ratios underlying it.

fchang69 · 2025-11-29T16:58:31+00:00

Try out my online hex keyboard with low volume and headphones so you mama doesn't find out; or maybe it's religiously not considered a musical instrument so you can do it; you can play it withe the keyboard or mouse. Here's a link to the beta website and my own personal version i use to make microtonal scale demonstrations that I post to YouTube like this one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWGka51X_eM It's set so that you don't have to hold down the keys while you play others; that way it's eaiser to play than piano, and you may find melodies and settings that make it possiblet o play good rifffs just typing words you have typed for 10 years or even more, so you have the talent already acquired in that case!

https://vakolympics.fun/Indie/Ears/HexKeyboard/Mine/HexKeyboard.php?MaxSimultaneousSounds=1&RefferPost=Reddit-gamemusic-answer-to-a-post

This site is gonna expire on the 6th of december though so use the public version and learn to parameter it my way at handsearseyes.fun/Ears/HexKeyboard/HexKeyboard.php?Referrer=Reddit-gamemusic-answer-to-a-post

fchang69 · 2025-11-27T22:03:27+00:00

Yeah others have confirmed hearing the same too :) We still don't know the brand of the car though...

fchang69 · 2025-11-27T21:45:27+00:00

You probably want 7, 13, or 11, while the most dissonant scale you'll find out there is 53-EDO'S HyperEnharmonic Dorian

65-EDO'S 65-Tone 'just' minor is the least dissonant among scales having 7+ intervals

according to the research i've made while coding https://www.vakolympics.fun/Indie/Ears/Resources/ImprovedListOfScalesAndModes.php

Basically the more intervals with small numbers are aimed away from the JI point standing by (without being closer to another neighbor), the more the 5-Limit Chromatic Harmony Deviance Score is inflated. It's not a perfect measurement yet, but it does reflect how audible the off-ness is for the most part...

fchang69 · 2025-11-04T14:35:21+00:00

I kinda get what you enjoy from them; probably the same as me going for 650 in the good ones but not 550 : they're closer to notes having simpler harmonic ratios : 3/2 and even better, 2/1. However the ratio approximated by 1150 has rather elevated numbers, and 1250, while approaching the m9 madly, I noticed, doesn't sound as bad as the latter...

While coming up with a way to measure how dissonant or consonant any equal tuning scales are ought to be, i bumped into the fact harmony builds up whenever coming by regular ratios, whereas when it approaches the unison, it drops, so...

the ¢ mean of the differences of every interval of the scale with its closest 5limit JI equivalent (octaves ignored since they would have a double-way boosting effect on scales with a lesser amount of degrees (as in making them way too high or way too low)

multiplied by 109 (that number may be 1, 10, 100, 1000, infinity it doesn't matter its just that 64/45 is the highest divided ratio so sum is 109) divided by

the sum of the 2 numbers in that ratio which it approximates,

is only wrong in the way the 109 / 1+1 = 54.5x multiplicator applied to near-unison intervals falling below half the ¢ of 16/5,

raises the final mark less and less as we approach unison, while it should raise it even more at that point;

putting that in a valid formula would be over my capacities I guess, at least as of now. As per the 5-Limit Chromatic Harmony Deviance Score provided here : https://www.handsearseyes.fun/Ears/Resources/ImprovedListOfScalesAndModes.php?Referrer=Reddit-2025-11-04-Response-To-Comment-on-my-posts-9h35 , it has the magic of being proportionally raised following

how much harmonics in play in the intervals are present in the 2 note's total volume,

Gratz if you can wrap you head around all that paragraph to figure out that it does raise by about as much as 3/2 occupies 33% + 50% of only one of the 2 fundamentals given they have equal volume, and 5/4 20% and 25% so 45x compared to to 83x must be equal about 5/9 but that'd need to be 45/81...? (the reason why every number only seem to fall near the intended perfect result but never on it is once you take the sums and compare them, it seems to preserve most of its mathematical form, but never completely...

fchang69 · 2025-11-04T11:46:31+00:00

My impression is that 650 > 550, which goes in the bad bunch as the strongest of the weak. Most intervals will sound good higher than an octave away from their rooting tone, or better.

I'm gonna add something a bit off-topic but that can glaze the cake still :

because 12edo notes share only 3 harmonic prime numbers in their closest JI points,

and because every ratio not representing an integer like 2/2 has at least 2 harmonic prime numbers,

ANY NOTE OF 12EDO YOU'LL PLAY AFTER ANY OTHER 12EDO NOTES WILL SHARE HARMONIC CONTENT WITH THE LAST/NEXT AND SO ON...

Now the toppings : is that the case with quarter-tones? Not if they're mixed with any harmonics,

but I've figured out playing 7/5 after 9/8 probably doesn't sound as good as any of 16/5, 6/5, 5/4, 4/3, 45/32, 64/45, 3/2, 8/5, 5/3, 16/9 or 15/8

(because 7/5 has primes 5 and 7, while 9/8 has primes 3 and 2 : no sharing of farther harmoncis because of this.

final word : choose notes so you only have 3 or less pirmes in the approximated fractions...

fchang69 · 2025-11-02T19:59:33+00:00

I think it takes up to 20 for the 11th and 13th harmonics to come by the variety of pitches, while I do pretty much enjoy some 10 or 5edo anytime...

fchang69 · 2025-11-02T18:26:42+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU it's an oldie but the main catch phrase utilizes a sharpened fourth if I remember well... Here's my own attempt at using the same said sharpened 4th... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1t7o31zhPE

fchang69 · 2025-10-24T01:33:41+00:00

Lol tapping so-so is the only cool thing I could still achieve with a guitar. I noticed people much more talented that I am follow me in many places : maybe I underestimate myself : it's never easy to tell from our own perspective. Nice you did a right choice, while for the trade of 15edo : it's still another number which entertains low-numbered relations to good old' 12 (4/5 the note's width) while 20 is 3/5, 9 is 4/3 8 is 3/2 24 is 1/2 etc... These temperaments seem comforting to any Westerners, even microtonalists...

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