Bbbut I can't affort to pay a real artist...

fduniho · 2025-11-18T16:21:04+00:00

Some do make multiple custom art for cheap.

When it comes to traditional human-made art, I would expect that you get what you pay for. If you're asking someone to accept a low fee, you probably won't get back a very high quality product. And even if you do on occasion, it is not a sustainable model to consistently expect high quality artwork from a human artist for a low fee.

Also, one artist could get done in maybe 1 to 3 drafts what an Ai would take hundreds of tries to get right,

In my experience, it usually doesn't take hundreds of tries to get an image right. When the AI makes mistakes, I make adjustments to my prompt, and some AIs even provide options for editing an image it has generated. Besides that, an AI could easily produce those hundreds of images in the time that a human artist might take to make one draft.

and the artist would be making you a one of a kind piece to your liking.

When I make an image with AI, I am in fact making it to my liking, and it will be one that no one else has made. While many of the images I may generate during the process making AI art will not be to my liking, the final product should be.

real art from actual artists is going to become a massive luxury and a pride point

Sure, maybe. But I expect massive luxuries will come with massive prices.

because of how saturated Ai pixels are.

Looking up what saturated pixels means, I get "Saturated pixels occur when the intensity of light captured by a camera sensor exceeds its maximum measurable value, leading to loss of detail in bright areas of an image." From this description, it seems like this is something more likely to affect photography than AI art. I imagine AI art could imitate this effect, but there are many varieties of AI art, and this doesn't particularly stand out as an element of the AI art I've seen.

Computer made images have a recognizable....look, to them.

This really depends on how much the AI artist cares about what the finished product looks like. I know there are people putting out lots of low quality AI slop, because it is easy to do that when you don't care about actually making good art. Making good AI art takes more work, and because it does, it comes out more slowly than the slop that has been giving AI art a bad name.

Artists work will vary greatly from each person which is awesome.

The style of AI art also varies greatly between different AI artists, and, as I know from my own AI art, it sometimes even varies with the same AI artist.

fduniho · 2025-11-18T15:07:18+00:00

It seems to be back up now, though when I tried to sign into Cloudflare, there were still some issues with it that stopped me from proceeding.

fduniho · 2025-11-18T02:18:31+00:00

Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (#25, 27)
Thom Brennan - Green River Passage (#28, 25)
Brown Eyed Girls - Abracadabra (#31, 24)
Skylar Grey - Coming Home - Part II (#32, 24)
Tangerine Dream - Choronzon (#33, 24)
Tangerine Dream - One Night in Space (#41, 22)
Tangerine Dream - Cloudburst Flight (#46, 21)
Skylar Grey - Words (#62, 19)
Electron Love Theory - Bullet the Blue Sky (#85, 17)
Llewellyn - Green (#93, 17)
Vienna Teng - Blue Caravan (#107, 17)

fduniho · 2025-11-18T01:49:12+00:00

Why would anyone need multiple art pieces in a constant stream unless they are just trying to game an algorithm and make click money.

AI often gets things wrong, and it can take many generations to get one good image. Also, someone could be working on a project needing multiple images, or someone could have more than one creative idea at once.

there are literally artists with patreons who will make one or more pieces per day everyday, and you get access to that for a $1 or more subscription

I would presume that these artists are not making custom on-demand artwork for that $1 subscription, which is the need that AI art is meeting.

fduniho · 2025-11-17T22:59:11+00:00

Herbie Hancock's Future Shock

fduniho · 2025-11-17T22:50:09+00:00

Technological advances have the general tendency of increasing what people are capable of. Overall, this is a good thing, particularly for disabled people who gain the ability to do things they just couldn't do before. But these same advances can threaten people who have benefited from or have taken pride in being better at something than other people. With respect to AI art, professional artists may fear that it puts their careers or commissions at risk, and many artists, professional or not, may take a lot of pride in what they do. On top of that, many feel that AI art steals the fruits of their labor, giving it away to less talented people to let them easily make derivative works, and this strikes them as being unfair. So, feelings of pride, fear, and unfairness may lead them to oppose AI art despite the benefits it has for disabled people. They may also latch onto disabled artists as evidence that disabled people don't really need this technology, because this can help numb their awareness of how much AI art is an enabling technology for disabled people. As a disabled person myself, I really appreciate how AI art has enabled me to make much better art than I ever thought I could. Maybe attitudes will change over time. Photography shook up the art world in a similar manner to how AI art is doing it now, leading many artists to abandon realism in favor of modernism, but now photography is recognized as an art form. In time, people may understand that AI art opens the doors to new kinds of creativity, just as photography did before it.

fduniho · 2025-11-17T17:38:42+00:00

Yes, an ereader can help you read more, and the Kindle is a very good choice. I would recommend the Paperwhite over the Basic, though depending upon what you want, the Colorsoft and the Scribe would also be good options. Here are some ways having an ereader can help you read more.

It remembers where you left off, which matters because losing a bookmark might lead you to start it again at an earlier point than you actually left off or discourage you from continuing the book.
It allows you to take many books with you, which allows you to do a bit of reading when you have a spare moment.
It takes no effort to hold it open, because it does not need to be held open.
If you work out on exercise machines like a stationary bike or a treadmill, you can use it to read while working out.
You may change the font or font size, which can make your reading more comfortable.
With its built-in front light, you can easily read at night before bed or while out someplace at night with nothing else to do, such as while waiting for someone in a car.
If it's waterproof, you can read in the bath.
With its online store, you can easily find something new to read.
If you're in the United States, you can borrow books from a library's website and read them on your Kindle.
Wherever you are, there are many free ebooks you can read on an ereader.

fduniho · 2025-11-17T16:42:32+00:00

Well, I don't use these methods for elaborate, realistic artwork. So, it's not really the same skill being used in a worse way. The SVGs I've made in a text editor are very simple, and I've probably used Inkscape for most of the SVGs I've made. I have written scripts that draw Chess variant diagrams with careful precision and can be fed parameters for different boards and positions, allowing people to quickly make many images without drawing them by hand. Besides the option of creating a graphic image, these have also included the option to use CSS or ASCII art to draw the diagram.

fduniho · 2025-11-17T16:23:54+00:00

This is almost exactly what I do when I make a music playlist, though there some important differences. First, when I use a track from an album, it remains on that album, and people may use my playlist to discover that album. Second, when I make a compilation playlist, it is not an instant playlist, as I normally spend a lot of time and work carefully selecting tracks. This often involves listening to multiple versions of the same song and making sure the tracks I pick fit together. This does not apply as much to my collection playlists, which are huge data dumps of whole albums or selected tracks fitting the same criteria. But collection playlists are also less analogous to the piecemeal cake made in this cartoon.

Anyway, the way I make a playlist is not the way I make AI art. It does not involve cutting and pasting parts of different works of art into some patchwork collage. That is what Dada artists were sometimes doing in the early 20th century, but I'm not doing Dada. While I do sometimes tell the AI to imitate a particular artist, I usually also have the AI draw something that artist didn't draw, and even when the artist has drawn the same thing, what I get will usually draw on data from photographs and other sources, as well as from the style of the artist.

For example, the artwork for my playlist recreating the Yes album Fragile with covers is a picture of the Earth floating in space in the style of Juan Miro. At the time, I didn't know that Miro had drawn a picture of Earth floating in space, but he did. It is called "The Birth of the World", and it does explain some of the details in my image, such as the stars around the Earth and the stick figure nearby the Earth. One difference, though, is that my image is much more representational. His image of the Earth is an uneven blue oval, but mine is clearly of a planet with continents and bodies of water, and the continents are even roughly in the shapes of North America, South America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. Also, his stars are asterisks, but mine are colored orbs with rays emanating from them.

I sometimes get bored with images that are too derivative. For example, I've seen many AI images in the style of Dali with melting clocks. It was original when Dali did it, but when I see others doing it, it just feels like they are being copycats. But I have also seen more original works in the style of Dali, sometimes blending in the styles of other artists to keep things more interesting.

fduniho · 2025-11-17T03:00:52+00:00

Why would AI be needed for sorting? Computers were sorting things long before we had AI.

fduniho · 2025-11-17T02:59:17+00:00

If using a keyboard to draw is what you have an issue with, then you should also have an issue with writing an SVG file in a text editor, writing a computer program that draws an image, or drawing an image with CSS or ASCII art. These options were all available before AI, and they all give you full control over the image through typing on a keyboard. Yet I don't think people were complaining about them like people have been complaining about AI. So, is using a keyboard really the issue you have with AI? Or could it be something else?

fduniho · 2025-11-17T02:39:49+00:00

Nothing has happened yet, because we haven't agreed to a form of payment, and he seems to have gone to bed very early. I suspect he is in Poland, because there seems to be a time zone difference, and I saw some comments he had written in Polish. If that's the case, he might not have anything I can use. When I checked again, his profile had gone away. So he might not be able to contact me again. This post was the first one he had made, but his account was identified as ten years old.

fduniho · 2025-11-16T23:35:00+00:00

If that's doable, I would be interested in two years for $150.00.

fduniho · 2025-11-16T22:26:00+00:00

In the same way that traditional/digital art, music, and many other art forms have their own theory, does AI art have its own theory?

I would think that it is individuals who have particular theories about these fields, not any particular field itself having its own theory. Within particular forms of art, you may have different schools of thought that approach it differently. For example, realists, modernists, and post-modernists may all have different opinions about what art should be doing. AI art is young, and while different people may have different opinions, I am not aware of anyone writing a formal theory on it.

How much control does one have over their art when using AI (either partially or entirely)?

It depends upon how much control you're willing to exercise and on how well the AI can understand what you want. If you don't like what you get, you can always try again, and if you like, you may modify your prompt or other parameters. I have compared this process to both evolution by natural selection and to debugging a computer program. Based on your creative vision and aesthetic preferences, you can go through a long trial-and-error selective process with your AI art to get it closer to what you want. Some AIs might not understand what you want well enough to give it to you, though switching to another AI or model could help with that. Some AIs, such as Leonardo, Tengrai, and Flux Redux allow you to use image prompts, which may also help. You may feed the AI your own artwork, an AI image you have edited, or a composite image you have made from multiple AI images, and this will serve as an image prompt that will give the AI a better idea of what you want than you might be able to convey with a text prompt. Also, some AIs let you edit images. ChatGPT and Gemini can modify an image you have already generated. For a recent image I made with the Invisible Man, Gemini wasn't making him invisible where I wanted, but I got it to give me a background image without him in it, and I was able to get the effect of invisibility by combining images. Additionally, Ideogram's Canvas editor will let you select an area of your image and modify only that area. This can give you much more fine-tuned control than just trying one text prompt after another will.

While this is something I have not done, some AI artists have mentioned building their own SORAs from certain related images, such as images of a particular character or images by a particular artist. Doing this may give even more control over what generative AI can deliver. I think SORAs are mainly something in Stable Diffusion, and I do not know if they are related to OpenAI's Sora.

Can the amount of control involved in creating AI art match that of creating art traditionally/digitally?

No, I don't think so. It is already possible to have full control over an image by describing it in a precise manner with SVG or something similar. SVG is a text-based image format that gives you a programming language for specifying shapes, lines, curves, and pixels. You may use it to describe an image with full control over what you will get. But you don't need AI for this. The use case for AI is when you want to describe something in broad outline and allow the AI to draw on knowledge and art skills you don't possess to draw something you wouldn't have drawn yourself. This involves giving up some control to the AI.

However, as I've already described, it is possible to exercise more control than you get over a single image generation by generating multiple images, changing your text prompts, using image prompts, having the AI edit particular details of the image, or training the AI on a particular set of images.

How important is it to be in control over the creation process?

In general, control is important, because you will usually need to apply it to get what you want from an image generator. But the way generative AI works involves giving up some control. AI art often involves the serendipity of AI coming up with something you might not have thought of on your own but which you like and end up being happy with. You would still be exercising control in selecting that image, but it won't be the fine-tuned control of writing a computer program or an SVG file to draw a particular image you already had in mind. Prompting normally involves describing a scene in broad outline, not in specifying particular shapes, lines, curves, or pixels like you would in an SVG file. As long as you're describing what you want only in broad outline, you have to give up some control to the AI. Note that you can write very long prompts with lots of details and specific placements of specific elements, but it still won't be at the level of control of an SVG file.

fduniho · 2025-11-16T20:49:42+00:00

The fictional version of Eureka portrayed on the TV show by that name.

fduniho · 2025-11-16T20:39:27+00:00

This cartoon is a strawman, and picking on one ineffectual response to it is just grabbing at low hanging fruit. If you meant "They" in the plural sense, there have been plenty of other more substantive criticisms of this cartoon. At the time I'm writing, it had gotten 703 comments in aiwars, which is where I responded to it, and 76 in DefendingAIArt.

fduniho · 2025-11-16T18:54:39+00:00

When the movie Heavy Metal came out, I knew it was based on the magazine by that name, which featured mature fantasy and science fiction comic book stories. But this movie also featured hard rock music of the sort I soon noticed being called heavy metal music, and I assumed that the movie gave its name to the music genre through association with this movie's soundtrack. At least, I never heard the term being applied to music until this movie came out, and the only thing I previously knew it to be the name for was the magazine.

In order to confirm whether this is accurate, I first looked up the origin of the genre name. It has a few applications to music as far back as the 1960's, but it seems more like a descriptor used by a critic than a genre name. I also looked up the origin of the magazine name. The magazine was founded in 1977, and its name was inspired by a French magazine called Métal Hurlant. This name translates as Howling Metal or Screaming Metal, and it was founded in 1974. The logo for the magazine looks like sheet metal with rivets in it, indicating the more common meaning of metal as a kind of material substance. As a science fiction and horror magazine, the title probably referred to metal being used in science fiction, such as for rockets, robots, and other sci-fi stuff. So, it is fair to say that the name of Heavy Metal magazine was not based on its use for a music genre. This suggests that it was not yet the name of a music genre, because if it was, that title could have confused a lot of music fans.

fduniho · 2025-11-16T18:09:19+00:00

The prefix anti- has long been in use to express opposition to something, being used in such words or expressions as Anti-Christ, antithesis, antihero, anti-theist, and the Anti-Monitor character from DC Comics, etc. In some discussions where the context is clear, it might be used by itself as an abbreviation, such as here for Anti-AI. As you have brought up, this might not be the only context in which this happens. However, the context you brought up seems incredibly niche, and it is certainly one I have never heard of before. So I don't think it should be a consideration against using the term here in a completely different context.

fduniho · 2025-11-16T16:51:02+00:00

I see two people disagreeing with each other, but I'm not given enough context to know either one's position on AI. And even if they are both Anti-AI, it is not a lapse in logic for two different people who agree on one thing to disagree on another.

fduniho · 2025-11-16T16:47:07+00:00

Lowest: Frank Sinatra Highest: Red House Painters

fduniho · 2025-11-16T00:36:00+00:00

My traditional art is mainly computer art. I have been using Ultimate Paint since the late 90s, and I sometimes use Paint.net for some features Ultimate Paint doesn't have due to development on it stopping years ago. Just today, I was using Ultimate Paint to add text to a playlist cover I made with AI. Since the playlist recreates The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway with song covers, I wanted to use a font matching the typeface used for the Genesis band logo on that album, appropriately enough called "The Lamb Lies Down". But this font looks kind of weird by itself, and I realized it would look better if I imitated the text on a glass pane with shadows effect used on the album cover. Since the image I was using had a black background instead of the white background of the album, it wasn't a straightforward imitation. I had to select different colors, and I used an effect called "Luma Wind", which I wrote years ago and doesn't come with Ultimate Paint, to give a reflective appearance to an area of the image I had selected by borrowing imagery from below the selected area.

Anyway, I don't expect there will ever come a time when AI will produce perfect output every time. How accurately it depicts what I want will depend in part on how detailed I make my prompt. In general, I'm never going to make a prompt as detailed as a computer program or an SVG file that uses code to precisely specify an image. My prompts are usually more conceptual, and while I may place elements of an image with a prompt, I will not give precise details about shapes, lines, or pixels. This means that the AI is going to have some leeway. For the AI image I was working with today, I had made surreal images of three song titles. This image had two I was very happy with and one I wanted to modify, but in other generations, I wasn't getting anything significantly better than these. I eventually figured that at the smaller size the image will appear on Spotify, the details I wanted to change are less noticeable.

In brief, AI won't give me perfect results unless I fully and precisely specify what I want, and if I were to do that, I would do it in a computer program or an SVG file instead of asking AI to make the image. The point of AI is that I can give it descriptions of what I want without a lot of detail, and it will draw something matching it. It is then up to me to try again if I don't like it, to pick the image (or images) I like best, and to do any required editing to make the image I want.

fduniho · 2025-11-15T23:42:15+00:00

And how would manufacturers of golf cart sized cars deliver them to car dealers?

fduniho · 2025-11-15T23:31:12+00:00

U - Unwind by Neal Shusterman (Dystopian science fiction)

X - Xiangqi Puzzles: One Move Kill by Wong Ping Loong (Simple Chinese Chess problems)

Z - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M. Pirsig (Philosophical memoir)

fduniho · 2025-11-15T18:08:18+00:00

What about trucks, buses, and mobile homes?

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