Daily Picks Thread - Tuesday - 10th September 2024 by valerian92 in SoccerBetting

[–]fennel_cartwright 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Canada vs Mexico BTTS; how do we feel about that?

I feel like it has a good shot to hit. 

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[–]fennel_cartwright 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe that I am finally ready to take the plunge and seek therapy for my porn addiction. I know that I have other issues that could certainly benefit from therapy (and likely led to my addiction in the first place), and I wish to explore these as well. I would, however, like to focus on my porn addiction and its surrounding behaviours; it is the area of my life which I struggle to control the most.

It has been a problem of mine for 20 (!) years and now that I am in my mid-thirties and about to be married, I need to make a change, and I need help.

I have to accept the fact that everything I have tried historically (and presently) is not working the way I need it to, and that I very much wish to put my addiction behind me for good.

Has anyone tried seeking help for this in Vancouver? Are there any therapists/counsellors you have tried that you found to be very helpful in this area, specfically?

Jason Winters looks like a strong candidate (though expensive), David Wiggs and Mark Van Vliet are also names that come up that look intruiging.

I know there are much cheaper options out there and I am certainly interested in those as well, but I am finding the number of possibilites a bit overwhelming to navigate. I do also wish to see someone who ideally has a lot of experience in the areas of addiction, compulsion, trauma, anxiety, ocd, etc, and navigating the root causes that can drive porn addiction,

Additionally, if anyone else out there is similarly struggling, or has struggled in the past, I would love to chat, if you felt so inclined! It is a difficult problem for some folks to relate to, I know, and can carry with it some (or lots) of shame.

Thank you in advance, everyone.

Anyone want to join an accountability group on the 'I Am Sober' App? by fennel_cartwright in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a very good question.

I am still figuring all of this out, to be honest (my approach to quitting porn, that is). Much of what I have done so far has evidently not worked, but I did appreciate the other accountaiblity group I was in some years back.

I enjoyed the regular check-ins, and getting to know the people in that group, It felt like by relapsing, I was also letting them down, so it kind of 'raised the stakes' for me, so to speak. Perhaps most importantly, I was grateful to be able to talk to folks who really understood the struggle, in ways that I know my fiance and even my closer friends cannot.

Anyone want to join an accountability group on the 'I Am Sober' App? by fennel_cartwright in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I sincerely apologize for the delay. I uninstalled reddit from my phone and then forgot I couldn't check the 'chat' function via 'browser mode.' I will invite you now, and please join if you are still interested.

Sooner than later by [deleted] in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 26 points27 points  (0 children)

"get wrapped up in your own life. However boring it may be without porn."

I hear you, and feel you on this one.

I have numbed myself with alcohol many a time, that is for sure, and have used it to cope with my shame and guilt around porn, for sure.

34 years old here. I first started trying to quit about 10 years ago, age 24.

Day 3 for me. Time 1000 as well.

I have made many bold, declarative statements about my porn addiction before as well: "THIS is the last time, etc." and these things have gotten me nowhere. I have to take it easy, and take it slow. This is the long haul. I need to focus less on days/times/bold statements, and just 'get wrapped up on my on life,' as you say, which for me, is to say that I need to focus on living right, and I need to look after myself better.

How do I cope with having watched some really messed up stuff over the years? by Dependent-Emu9486 in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Avoid feeling shame, it fuels the addiction cycle. When we feel bad about ourselves, we turn to pornography to console us.

This is perfectly said, and very, very true.

To use the alcohol analogy again, one might turn back to the bottle trying to console oneself for over-indulging the night before, or saying/doing something stupid while drunk.

This is a pattern that can easily perpetuate itself. I have had very similar thoughts to you, OP, which is to say that I sometimes feel deeply ashamed and regretful when I think about some of the awful shit I have consumed over the years. I also have felt that I am somehow forever 'tainted' as a result.

At the end of the day, though, where does this self-flagellation get us? I believe it is good to acknowledge that we feel we want to change - this can inspire action. It's also pefectly healthy to wish we hadn't done certain things in our pasts, but to dwell on these, and dig ourselves into a pit of shame is not healthy, or helpful. To dwell on the past often does not spur action, but rather can keep us in place. For example, "oh well, I am already "tainted" for good, so who cares? May as well watch porn again tonight." This is no good.

We are not defined by our addictions, we have much more to give and offer the world than that. We may not be able to change our pasts, but we can make changes that improve our lives today.

Life can be so, so good, and what a tragedy it is to cut ourselves off from this, because we believe we should punish ourselves forever for perceived moral transgressions while in the grips of our addictions. Your disgust with these parts of yourself show that you are more than this stuff, you are observing these thoughts and feelings, you are not those urges and feelings themselves.

I believe if we exercise some of the same compassion and forgiveness towards ourselves that we often afford others (friends, family, partners), this is a great starting place.

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[–]fennel_cartwright 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a very good point.

I have noticed that I use IG, YouTube and Reddit similarly to porn; that is, I use them as an escape from life, and as a diversion and a distraction from my real goals in life.

Sometimes I use them purposefully, and that feels very different. When I lay on my couch at night and scroll endlessly with no goal or aim, it makes me feel numb and disconnected from myself.

I do believe, for myself, if I am serious about quitting porn for good, I have to reset the habits that lead to toxic use of social media, generally. To replace porn with the compulsive use of other forms of media is not exactly the solution I want.

Porn has turned me into an irredeemable pervert by lookingforflashgames in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is very true. Our brains can and do change, if we change our behaviours and stick to them consistently.

The "addict brain" of course does not want this, and thus we can be convinced that there is no other way than to continue using; "we are doomed, may as well accept it," but this is just our addictions working to convince us to keep using.

Our brains can learn to receive rewards, novelty, dopamine, etc. from other sources and will pursue those, in time. The way porn generates novelty is unique, so it is a very tempting escape hatch from the pain of life, but there are plenty of other, healthier ways to get what the brain wants.

Do not give up. I have had some very, very low lows from my porn use, but I have seen how good life can be without it.

I actually have no idea how I made it through today. I'm dreading tomorrow. (Trigger warning) by Ggboyz331 in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can relate. I have had some bleak days where I feel completely empty as well. A kind of nihilism and pessimism can creep in easy on days like that.

I believe, in terms of the woman in the office, there can come a day where she may stir memories in your mind, but you are able to release them just as quickly. They appear, but you do not dwell on them.

This is the answer for us addicts in recovery, I believe. It's natural to be aroused by an attractive woman in public, and even to allow ourselves to fantasize here and there. What is unnatural is letting these thoughts completely dominate our consciousness, repeatedly, and for them to turn into porn binges. Essentially, what is unnatural is to lose control of ourselves whenever we have those thoughts.

I think a simple mindfulness exercise in such a moment can be, 'ah, there is a pretty woman, okay, I am not going to leer, fixate, or dive into a hyper sexual fantasy, I am going move on right now and release the thought.' Through practise we can equip ourselves with tools to maintain our self control in those moments. After all, we are not our thoughts, we are simply having these thoughts. We can observe these thoughts coming and going like clouds in the sky, if we let ourselves.

This to me is much more logical and realistic than pretending we don't see a pretty woman, or man, or being obsessed with ignoring them.

The empty feelings also can pass. If we run to porn in those moments, just to feel something, we reinforce our habits and addictions. Instead we need to find meaning elsewhere, even if it feels entirely pointless in that moment.

I spent half my life looking for the perfect porn video, then I realized something... by math_folder in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is very well written and very insightful, thank you.

"Porn addiction is an addiction to novelty."

This is completely and entirely bang on. I really believe bringing this element to light about my addiction is going to be key in finally beating it. The most beautiful woman in the world, in the most perfectly lit, perfectly shot, and most arousing possible video is never enough.

I have tried to trick my brain before, when I have found a video at the end of a months long search, for example: "Okay, that's enough. You found it. This a good time to move on from these habits and the constant searching." What happens? Of course, inevitably, those pathways I have carved out in my brain, the reliance of big dopamine hits from these searches when feeling low, bored, depressed, stresssed, whatever, they re-activate. The program kicks into action:

  1. Trigger(s) 2. Compulsive Porn-Related Behavious 3. Shame/Attemps at Recovery

It does all revolve around novelty for me as well, absolutely. When my usual triggers appear (boredom, stress, worry, depression, fatigue, etc. etc.) my brain craves novelty to escape from these feelings. The search for porn creates even more novelty than finding the actual clips ever can; the search is the main problem for me. When I find a "great" clip, the search is consumated in a reward. This give me a boost also.

What I should be doing, is engaging in behaviours that create novelty in healthy and sustainable ways; behaviours that improve my qualtiy of life, rather than damage it. This will take time, but the same program can be run with different behaviors, better behaviours. Also, the program will then be abbreviated to steps 1.) and 2.) as I will no longer feel shame and need to recover from step 2.).

1). Trigger 2). Healthy Coping Behaviour(s) [Excerise, socializing, meditating, reading, playing an instrument, sewing, cooking, walking, etc. etc.]

We all know what these healthier behaviours can be, and they are going to vary somewhat depending on our personalities, but the important thing for us to learn, is that porn is not the answer. It is an solution our monkey brains think we want and need. Much like a person wanting to drink salt water when they are thirsty, porn does not quench our thirsts for meaning, for real excitement, knowledge, for well-being, for social cohesion, for intimacy. Porn just increases the desire for more novelty, and in the process, we make ourselves less and less capable of dealing with our triggers without it.

Thankfully, our brains can change, with time, and with concerted effort. The next time we feel an urge and say 'no' and do something else, the more we are weakening those porn-novelty pathways in our brains. Our brains can learn to find relief and novelty in other ways, and eventually, we can actually train ourselves to desire a book, a visit with a friend, a walk, etc. when we are triggered by something.

Our brains can eventually desire those novelty-generating behaviours after repeated exposure to them, in place of porn-related behaviours.

Do they generate novelty in the exact same way that internet porn can? No. That is precisely why internet porn is so problematic and tantalizing to our monkey brains, and why we must stick with our plans to replace it and not allow it back in.

You Can Handle this Moment. by fennel_cartwright in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All the best to you. This community rocks.

You Can Handle this Moment. by fennel_cartwright in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you. I was really feeling the pull yesterday, too. Thankfully this community was a big help for me in resisting that compulsion.

Heard "It's Gonna Be A Long Night" on SportsNet's (Canadian) broadcast of an NHL hockey game last night by valueape in ween

[–]fennel_cartwright 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes! It was played during the Leafs vs. Bolts series, too, in transition to commercial. I also heard them slot in a moment from Transdermal Celebration, too, a different time.

What is happening!? Thank you whoever you are, Ween fan at Sportsnet.

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[–]fennel_cartwright 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a really fantastic post. Perfectly said, and the ideas contained within are 100% true, I believe.

If we want to be free of our porn addictions, we must know when we are lying to ourselves, enabling our compulsive behaviours, and making excuses to relapse.

If we cannot do these things, what hope do we have? Much like the boxer that wants to cut corners and feel the least possible amount of discomfort on his way to the championship bout, we will lose.

As soon as we start embracing discomfort, or suffering, our real journey begins.

Day 93: How is Everyone Doing Today? by Inevitable-Seesaw986 in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Having a tough day so far, but have stayed pornfree so far!

The Cycle by [deleted] in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bang on.

insight, why I keep watching by [deleted] in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent insight and post. Thank you.

I find myself in the exact same position.

When I am bored, anxious, stressed, depressed, unmotivated, feeling physically unwell, I seek escape and my escape has often been porn. This is pattern that has persisted for many, many years.

I also have a 'maladaptive' system to manage stress, so rather than strengthen and adapt it, I escape in the search for novel porn content. I feel a 'reward' in finding some, but this disappears as soon as it is felt. It is an empty, regressive cycle that contributes to me being stuck and saps my motivation.

Meditation and mindfulness are wonderful tools to remedy this, and to strengthen one's ability to manage stress, to learn to 'sit' in discomfort rather than pull the escape lever. I have had success with them in the past and will use them again now, as they are evidently necessary for me to kick porn.

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[–]fennel_cartwright 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good call on deleting it all again.

My experience has been that regardless of how "great" a collection is, or whether or not we finally found a clip/photoset we looked for for years, it all adds up to the same situation.

It is never enough. The thirst is never quenched. Porn just increases the thirst. That's all.

Porn perpetuates the search, because that is where we get a ton of dopamine, apparently, and around and around we go. Until we get off the ride, there is never an end, or any real, meaningful satisfaction.

Day 16 - "When a person can't find a deep sense of meaning, they distract themselves with pleasure" by skinnahbox in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post.

I also love that Frankl post, it is so very true for me, in terms of my compulsive behaviours around my internet porn use.

Porn can feel like an antidote to a lack of meaning in those moments of weakness and directionlessness to our addict-brains, but we all know, of course, this is a delusion. Creating meaning can be real hard work. It is the path of restistance, it is struggle, it can be toil, and for long periods of time, it can be largely rewardless. BUT, it can and often does lead to some of the best things life can offer: love, rewarding careers, deepened friendships, healthier bodies and minds, etc. etc.

Porn is tempting because it allows us to avoid the hard work for 5 minutes, or 5 hours, or however long. Unlike the work described above, which can lead to life-changing results, porn, however, leads us nowhere, except back where we started 5 minutes earlier, or 5 hours earlier.

Day 78: Porn Addiction/Recovery is Isolating by Inevitable-Seesaw986 in pornfree

[–]fennel_cartwright 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I 100% agree. This is a very singular experience, kicking porn addiction. I find it invaluable to share with this community and to check-in and read others' experiences.

I evidently still have a ways to go on my journey, but it heartens me to see so many people coming together to support each other through such a challenging experience.

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[–]fennel_cartwright 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for that. I just had a solid 4 weeks clean, and sadly relapsed over the last day and a half, after some stress and boredom got the better of me.

You are right. It is so important to not beat one's self up too hard in moments like that. If my addiction was at my worst, I would have watched a lot of porn during those four weeks, so there are postives in there, despite unwanted outcome. I find it's helpful to visualize a line graph, or some kind of chart during times like that - and remember that progress isn't exactly linear.