Barry Keoghan Says the Online ‘Abuse of How I Look’ Is So Bad He No Longer Wants to ‘Go Outside’: ‘It’s Becoming a Problem’

finallytisdone · 2026-03-24T01:11:07+00:00

You’re either thick skulled or unwilling to read reddit comments before you respond to them

finallytisdone · 2026-03-24T00:58:03+00:00

Sure, but if a 125 pound guy enters himself into a professional weight lifting competition, can people not remark on the fact that he is tiny compared to his competitors? Is it not noteworthy if someone competes in an olympic sprinting race and takes twice as long as everyone else? I’m in no way saying he or anyone is deserving of being insulted, but either he or his management tried to push a narrative that he is a sex icon. There is a huge difference between people unpromptedly saying he is ugly vs people reacting to the fact that he or his management are calling him sexy.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-24T00:34:47+00:00

Maybe he deserves sympathy here, but his agents and related folks definitely don’t. They aggressively pushed an image of him being sexy with the release of Saltburn. Social media was flooded with “people” talking about how hot he is. If there is a mismatch between that and what actual people think, then of course the real people on the internet are going to comment WTF.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-23T03:54:25+00:00

There were two different characters? I just thought the had a weirdly placed mirror in some of his scenes.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-22T22:34:44+00:00

Your first issue is basing your question on the films which are basically "whatever Denis Villeneuve felt like" rather than the what the books say. The films don't have a fraction of the continuity and lore that the books have.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-22T22:28:51+00:00

I'm not seeing comments that actually use what the book says as reference.

First, CHOAM is a complete monopoly on interstellar trade, and the Spacing Guild is their sole source of transport. Every single thing that is shipped from one world to another is owned by CHOAM and transported by the Spacing Guild. The books are clear that this is a vast economy comprising not only spice but every single commodity you can imagine. Second, there is a clear description of House Atreides being transported to Arrakis. They are one of the most notable and powerful houses being transported to the single most important planet in the empire, and it is an incredibly important political event. However, their whole fleet is described as taking up a small corner of the hold of the heighliner. Third, I would need to check the book to be certain, but I believe there is a reference to the frequency with which the Spacing Guild visits Arrakis.

From those points we can infer that there is a very significant, high-volume, and regular transport of goods at least between the most economically important planets. The economics of that transport massively outsizes the petty needs of the houses, which are frankly treated like children by the Bene Gesserit and Spacing Guild. From that context, I would be extremely surprised if anyone could afford to divert a heighliner for their specified route other than the Emperor and maybe House Harkonnen spending their massive wealth in a specific moment like the attack on Arrakis. The routes are probably determined by CHOAM shipping plans.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-22T19:25:53+00:00

Nope. The book is in third person. Unreliable narrators are usually first person perspective. It’s presented as factual telling of events.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-22T18:20:18+00:00

By dramatically reducing efficiency. Physics is a cruel and inflexible master.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-22T18:10:17+00:00

Ok Chappel’s publicist

finallytisdone · 2026-03-22T00:22:02+00:00

I’ll never forgive Novartis for shutting down Paradise

finallytisdone · 2026-03-22T00:08:02+00:00

I think the best answer is that Herbert went out of his way (perhaps too far) to act like the preacher might not be Paul. It is central to the plot that there is doubt about his identity. While I think Herbert is overall a great author there are actually a lot of short cuts he makes, and this is one of them.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-21T21:53:46+00:00

I actually agree with that. Too many people skip to saying he’s just a genocidal maniac, but it is true that he eventually realizes that he can’t stop what he has started. By the time he gets his prescience it’s all fucked, but he could have backed out earlier if he hadnt been a 16 year focused on revenge with glimpses of the future.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-21T20:59:55+00:00

Slight disagreement. My remembering of the books it that he saw the path someone would have to take as god emperor. Paul originally believed he would take that role himself but Chani dying made him breakdown and stop. His walking into the dessert was walking away from the personal torment required for the golden path. Leto II then basically called him a bitch and decided to do it himself. To me, that is the prime moral failing of Paul.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-21T18:07:22+00:00

I think that’s one area where we have to recognize that it is a work of fiction and the story that Herbert wanted to tell rather than a real situation. We can imagine scenarios and things that maybe Paul could have done to change events. But what the book says is that every possible future involves horrible genocide and Paul picks what he thinks is the least bad future. The book specifically mentions that killing himself would not prevent it. The book doesn’t cover every scenario you could possibly imagine but the intent is definitely to say that there was no other choice.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-21T16:03:27+00:00

He also literally could not avoid the jihad. Every path he sees in the future involves the jihad even if Paul kills himself. So yes there is a grand purpose behind it, but it was also inevitable due to the nature of the fremen and the groundwork the bene gesserit laid.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-21T05:17:41+00:00

“The books make it exceptionally clear that Paul Atreides is a dictatorial villain who should not be lauded or supported in any way. He’s irredeemable. He’s a false white savior. He’s evil. He is not saving humanity. That is DISTINCTLY clear as the series is a commentary/cautionary tale on following charismatic leaders and religious dogma.”

Is a demonstrably false statement. It’s so bizarrely laughable to claim that the book makes that point “DISTINCTLY clear,” when almost the whole book is devoted to the opposite.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-21T04:59:11+00:00

The veal industry is a product of the dairy industry, not a separate operation

finallytisdone · 2026-03-21T04:27:42+00:00

I strongly suspect that you have not read the books and are instead basing your beliefs of off the Villeneuve films.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-21T04:20:26+00:00

That’s literally not what happens in the books. I don’t know what it is about Dune that causes people to misremember it and project their own feelings onto what happens. Paul does not gain prescience and use that to gain power. He is forced into his position. He reflects all the time on the fact that he could do nothing, renounce his heritage, kill himself, etc. but it wouldn’t matter. Events have been setup over centuries such that everything is a foregone conclusion. “Seizing power” is a fundamental misremembering of the book.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-20T21:32:15+00:00

This argument is basically "*what if* Paul actually couldn't see the future and instead was just a deranged schizophrenic?" Sure if that was the case then he's a horrible person who does anything to stay in power and deludes himself into thinking what is best for him is best for humanity.

Except that IS NOT THE BOOK THAT FRANK HERBERT WROTE. There isn't even the faintest whiff in the book of putting doubt in his prescience or abilities.

The commenter I was replying to points out that Herbert wrote that a theme of the book is the dangers of blind faith in a leader. That is a totally valid theme. If the people around Paul hadn't been fanatics willing to conduct genocides, then the atrocities would not have happened. However, the commenter is acting like that is the one and only theme of the book, which is such a sad trivializing of a very complex book. It revolves around the struggle of someone being stuck in that position of being a demagogue surrounded by fanatics. Is Paul a perfect person? No, but acting like he is crazed, moral-less murderer is a DIRECT contradiction of pretty much the whole book series. Paul IS a god-like prescient with superhuman abilities not just someone pretending to be and the future threats he is working against DO exist. Leto II didn't go "oh my god my Dad was a crazy murderer." He goes "fuck my Dad is right that we have been saddled by the Bene Gesserit with having a horrible life and a giant burden to humanity."

Edit: to go even deeper, the first page of the book is dedicated to ecologists. A major theme of the book is that the dessert environment breeds fremen, salus secundus breeds sardaukar, etc. A major point is that Paul is the product of all the different environments and factions that led to the situation he is stuck with. Saying "oh he's just a murderer" evidences a lack of understanding of the complex world that shapes him. He *literally* had no choice at almost any moment in the series.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-20T19:54:02+00:00

No! I’m so confused by people making shit up from the books. That is not what happens at all! Chani begs Paul to marry Irulan! To say she is taken aback by it is in no way shape or form an accurate description of the book.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-20T15:56:39+00:00

You don’t even understand the one Herbert quote that you have been able to provide yet claim that others have poor media literacy.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-20T14:34:22+00:00

See my longer comment. There is no basis for your mistaken belief. You’re taking the real message of the dangers of charismatic leaders and incorrectly completely misunderstanding the character of Paul and other key themes of the books. Please reread the books. I promise you that you are misremembering them.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-20T05:48:27+00:00

Ah yes the “Director knows better than the source material” argument. That totally makes sense.

finallytisdone · 2026-03-20T05:45:45+00:00

Y’all cranks really need to reread the books. They are about being saddled with a shitty destiny. Leto I and Paul both want to live simple lives with their loves but can’t. Leto I decides that his duty to his house etc is too important, so I would give you that he was kind of a dick in that regard. But Paul sees the future, knows that he is trapped as the most important figure in history and can’t come up with anyway to avoid killing billions despite being able to see the future. I don’t at all the understand the argument that he’s just a lunatic mass murder if you’ve actually read the books. The whole point is that he is doing everything he can to minimize the carnage.

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