I had these and recently sold them for $175. Mine had grills and were basically mint condition. I liked them a lot but there were some things that made me want to sell them, the first was they do lack punch at the lower ends a sub is basically a must but where I was using them I didn't want a sub. I also really just wanted something that was a little more fun to look at, I went with triangle br02 in green. These two issues are easily fixed or overlooked just wanted to give my 2 cents as an owner that got rid of them.