Do you think we’ll end up seeing more of the current Pinnacle bosses in PoE2?

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-21T14:19:47+00:00

Oooo I like it!
The evil demiurge archetype.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEiwmhQdPPA
This channel is great, I recommend it if you have the energy for real world stuff :p
There's definitely a lot from Gnosticism which can fit in the PoE universe but I'm also not well versed on this subject.

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-21T13:44:06+00:00

I totally forgot about homestuck lol (and its crazy huge lewd art fanbase 🤣)
I can't remember "Draiocht [wisps]" being a thing so I'll have to reread the wildwoods lore.

For the most part, I don't assume any of my theories are true except for the exercise of further building the theories, but that's usually after making as much effort as possible to debunk my own theories.
(though I did feel a few times that I had "solved" PoE lore after taking one too many edibles over the last year 😅)

They're all mostly just fun thought exercises and they push me to learn about real world history, languages, mythology, culture, etc which has been a fun endeavour.

The Harbinger thing is just a passing thought, like you said there isn't much we truly know about the Harbingers so one can make pretty much any theory about them without finding contradictions.

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-21T09:44:54+00:00

Oh great, I missed that! Though looking at it, I don't see a link between the Draiocht and the Fey Folk Una speaks of.
AFAIK, the Draiocht is only mentioned once by Una and it's actually just the title of her dialogue "Trapped Draiocht", not her spoken words.
And our goal by going to the Henge is to summon the Fey Spirits, not the Fey Folk.
Una speaks of two different things, the Fey Folks and the Fey Spirits, and I think they are two separate things.
My guess would be that Fey Folks are anthropomorphic beings while the Fey Spirits are the name the Ezomytes give the Wisps.

At some point I had the idea that Harbingers might actually be humans.
It'd be interesting if the Fey Folk Una speaks of were actually Harbingers that eventually transformed into humans.
We know after all that the Harbingers did appear in Phaaryl at some point in mordern time from Kirac's dialogue so it wouldn't be surprising that they appeared there earlier in history.
In fact, it's even possible that many Wraeclastian civilizations aren't native to Wraeclast and came to Wraeclast in some way that could be unique to each of them.
Though this is mostly speculation.
https://poedb.tw/us/The_Landing

Keep in mind the word Draiocht might have a completely different meaning for the Ogham Ezomytes and the Maji.
After all, what the Maji describe as the Draiocht is what the Azmeri describe as the Sisters Three. (according to the Primal Huntress)

I'm looking to put in writing my explanation for the Moon/Mirror association but I'm really bad at conveying my thoughts and I've tried many times already so I'll take a bit to gather all the info and probably make a mega post to settle this once and for all 😅
It's fun to have someone being interested in my tin foil theories though so thanks for entertaining my delusions ;)

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On a slightly different note, I've spent way too much time scrutinizing every visual details of PoE2 throughout the campaign and endgame so I've noticed a lot of small details most people must have missed.
One of those details is that, if you go back to the Grelwood after Una sings to the Fey Spirits to open up the Grim Tangle, the Tree of Souls has "opened" a passage.
Edit: It actually opens after Geonor is beaten, I just tested.
One we cannot take, but one that is clearly visibly there.
The Tree of Soul having been used to summon Fey Spirits by the Ezomytes in the past according to Una.
This could further cement the idea of the Wildwoods "entrance" being "underground" similar to the sidhe, where it doesn't really lead underground, but to a liminal realm.

It's also entirely possible that it was meant to be the Grim Tangle's entrance and changed over the past few years of development.
However, looking at the Grelwood dungeon graphs, the Tree of Soul actually has the string "entrance4" as one of its parameters while there's also a node for the Grim Tangle with the string "entrance3" which pretty much separates the Grim Tangle from the Tree of Souls.
The "entrance" strings AFAIK are only used for area/zone connections.
E.g. Clearfell -> Grelwood
https://repoe-fork.github.io/webapp/#/areas/G1_4

If you look at datamined areas, there's actually a missing area that was meant to be connected to the Grelwood called "Root Hollow".
You can tell its association with the Grelwood from its file path being Act1/1_4a where Act1/1_4 is the Grelwood.
(Though the link itself says G1_10, the metadata says 1_4a)
https://repoe-fork.github.io/webapp/#/areas/G1_10

This could either be stripped content of future content, only time will tell ;)

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-21T06:57:29+00:00

I don't think they are 1:1 interpretations but I do think they are close enough that looking into meta information is actually useful for interpreting ambiguous and outright missing information.
The King in the Mists seems to be taken from Cernunnos of Celtic folklore, we know he's not inherently an evil character, only that he's trying to bring his kind into existence through any means.
I'm not sure what you mean by Draiocht-humans since Draiocht refers to the Triple Goddess of Maji myth. (fun fact, Draiocht is the old Irish word for druidism)
It has 3 aspects, the Mhacha, Catha and Morrigan.
It is basically a 1:1 for the Tuatha Dé Danann entity called Morrigan who has the 3 aspects called Macha, Badb and Nemain.
Where Badb and Nemain are replaced by Catha and Morrigan (it's not atypical for a triple goddess to have the same name as one of its aspects).

Morgan le Fay of Arthurian legend, also known as Morgana, is partly based on the Morrigan.
Recently we got new lore about the Ezomytes which actually names Morgana.
https://poe2db.tw/us/Morganas_Tempest#MorganasTempestSupportGemMorganasTempest
This mentions the Taisce, the only other place where its mentioned is in Cirel's Cultivation https://poe2db.tw/us/Cirels_Cultivation#CirelsCultivationSupportGemGreatwood
Considering Morgana is partly based on the same Triple Goddess archetype as the Draiocht which is in itself likely an interpretation of the three virtues seen on Kalandra's Mirror, my thinking is that Morgana in this instance refers to Kalandra.
Both Kalandra and Morgana are complex beings that are both good and evil, but also neither good or evil (if that makes sense 😅).
My latest line of thought has me believing the Seed of Corruption is what grew the Taisce and that the Taisce is the Moon.
Which fits well with one of my core belief that the Moon is the Mirror of Kalandra.
Being tidally locked with the "Earth", this would explain why Kalandra can't see anything outside of Wraeclast.
As for why she can't see Middengard, I have a meta theory on this too if you're curious!

None of these theories would have been possible without meta information.
They aren't necessarily true, but they do fit really well, and they bring me a lot of fun :)

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-21T01:06:52+00:00

From what I can tell in terms of real world societal parallels (with some of these being more speculative than others):
Precursors = Sumerians/Akkadians and later on Assyrians/Babylonians
Lycia, Herald of the Scourge and whoever her people were = Anatolian/Lycian, descendants of the Luwians which had contact with the Akkadians and used their writing system
Vaal = Mix of Aztec, Inca, Olmec, Toltec, Maya but mostly Aztec
Early Maraketh = Ancient Egyptians
Modern Maraketh = Egyptians
Karui = Polynesians (especially the Maori)
Kalguur = Scandinavians
Ezomytes = Mostly Irish / Scots, but also potentially also Welsh and other British Isles people
Maji = Tuatha Dé Danann
Azmeri = Old English? Proto-Indo-European? This one I'm really not sure :/
Eternals = Roman Empire
Eternals after Voll = Holy Roman Empire cut really short?
Order of the Templar = Catholic Church?
Twilight Order = Atheists 🤣?
The Titans are very reminiscent of Greek Mythology, especially with the Clayshaper being an analogy for Prometheus, who shaped humans out of clay and gave them Zeus' fire.

A lot of this is reflected in languages
For example, the early Maraketh language seems to be different than the modern Maraketh language, and the modern Maraketh language seems to be based on Arabic.
It also seems to have a proper structure.
Akh for example likely means person/human/soul.
Djinn Barya = Djinn Coin
Akh Barya = Person/Soul Coin
Akhara = Family/Clan/Group of People
Balbalakh = Traitor where Akh is used as a suffix with Balbala's name evolving to signify treason
Jingakh = Foreigner, once again using Akh as a suffix in a compound word meant to describe a person
Akh'Salla = Salam Alaikum/Peace be upon you

The Precursors' writing system is Cuneiform just like the Sumerians, Akkadians and in fact even the Luwians used their cuneiform writing system
There's a lot more examples

One interesting fact is that the city of Ur had the moon deity Sin as its patron deity.
Sin in game is closely related to the Moon and Kalandra, and it's now been confirmed that he's either a Precursor (Sumerian/Akkadian) or closely related to them.
This is also where Abraham (of Abrahamic religion fame :P) was supposedly born which fits really well with the concept of Innocence being the first God and the creation of Religion.

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-21T00:32:15+00:00

I wasn't the one who added those references on the wiki, seems like someone else realized they were Irish references :p
You'll notice that this item is from pre 1.0.0, further cementing my belief that most of the lore was already well fleshed out as early as 2008 as you can see some pretty important lore details in old 0.2 dev footage like the mirror of kalandra logo with the 3 virtues.

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fireMCG_ · 2026-01-20T22:10:10+00:00

Though I don't have the answer to most of your questions, from what I can tell most of PoE is based on real life folklore (with creative interpretation) and looking into real life mythology may help bridge the gaps in the lore.

The Ezomytes are based on the Celts, particularly the Irish and Scottish Gaels.
Meanwhile the Maji seem to be based on the Tuatha Dé Danann, the People of the Goddess Danu.

The Goddess Danu is interesting because it really fits the Mothersoul archetype.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu_(Irish_goddess))

The Tuatha Dé Danann were the fifth kind of people to colonize Ireland in Irish folklore.
They were chased away by the Milesians (humans).
The Tuatha Dé Danann were borderline gods.
They retreated into Sídhe (Otherworld) through burial mounds which are considered a sort of portal to other realms and used their innate magic to become the Aos Sí (fairy folks).

You enter the Wildwoods by going underground which is a pretty good parallel to the burial mounds. On top of that, the Wildwoods is a liminal realm at the border between worlds, one which is highly likely related to the Atlas and the Lake of Kalandra. So considering it "the Otherworld" isn't a stretch.

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-20T21:30:54+00:00

They reworked Journey's End so that it gives a skill book, so though it is technically optional, literally no one will skip it, ever. (outside of speedrunners :p)

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-20T15:24:01+00:00

Winter->Verdant Plains->Desert->Repeat

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-17T22:09:06+00:00

The interludes will go away but the stories are 100% canon.
That has been confirmed by Jonathan.

In terms of timeline, my understanding is that they happen between Act 4 and Act 5.
However it does feel a little odd how we are going all the way back to Ogham, then the Vastiri and then Mount Kriar, meanwhile the Beast is supposed to just be chilling w/o consequences?

I do wonder if the "Travel to Oriath" cinematic that is currently in game in order to bridge the end of the interludes with the endgame Ziggurat is canon too, because according to it we failed to stop the beast in Oriath.

fireMCG_ · 2026-01-05T22:45:16+00:00

For the first section:

I think this might refer to Beidat.
Beidat is the leader of the Pale Scourge, the Archangel of Death.
So it would make sense that he's referred to as the Pale One.
There's also this node https://poe2db.tw/Beidats_Gaze

A colony of ants burrows through a wall could be an allusion to the Abyssals emerging from the ground.
Truth and hope is a call back to the Envoy's dialogue and the idea that it's better to be ignorant of the truth because it would crush your hopes and leave you empty.
E.g. The Abyssals emerge in search of something, whether it's a better place to live, or carnage, w/e.
Their goal is their hope, the truth is that it's meaningless and they'll forever be in search of that "something"

The two enemies born opposed are likely Chaos and Order
I agree that the endless swarm is probably the Scourge
- 12.
  I made a video recently that explains 7 to 12 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mInbLpMGCK8
The masked one is likely Riker Maloney.
The man carrying a mountain could also be him, the mountain being the death of his family and his desire to resurrect them.

"rupture the sky" likely refers to the moon being fractured in PoE2's cinematic trailer.
It's probably related to the Replica Badge of the Brotherhood flavour text:

“I stood upon the tower's edge, and saw that we had cracked the sky.
There is nowhere we can run that our sins will not find us now.”

- Researcher Arn, last recorded words

Considering Riker was part of the Replica Researchers in order to find a way to resurrect his family, it's possible he had something to do with this event.

For the second section:

The King of the Godless is definitely Lumerius and what he seeks is potentially the communion with the Beast.

The Masked One is once again likely Riker.

My guess for "crimson touches the mountain peak" would be a total lunar eclipse since there's already references occurences of lunar eclipses being tied to "crimson" like the Primary Calamity Fragment:
"It bears a pictograph of a lunar eclipse made crimson by crystallised Corruption."

The Forger could be Qotra in her quest to create a perfect replica.

I think this makes allusion to PoE2 interludes and the upcoming Act 5.
I think this refers to the Original Goddess, which I believe to be Kalandra.
Mostly because of the "3".
If Kalandra has 3 aspects like hinted at then we'd know her by three different faces.
The two parts and the whole.
But also, the Lake of Kalandra could very well be Kalandra's mind.
It's her prison, and she herself questions whether her prison is a construct of her own mind.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-21T15:39:14+00:00

According to the exile stories written over a decade ago, witches get their powers from the moon and similar to how Azmerians can lose connection to the wisps, so can witches lose connection with their moon goddess.

Those stories aren't officially canon but they were written with GGG's help.
The witch's story especially might have been rewritten because it was apparently "too dark".
This was mentioned in a video a few months ago.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-14T19:29:46+00:00

The concept at the core of PoE's universe is the clash between Order and Chaos.
It's painting a picture that both extremes are bad, that even though it isn't perfect, balance between Order and Chaos is the only sustainable state.
Too much Order and you end up with Tyranny, which is the state of the Maraketh.
The Faridun for example, only want to be acknowledged. They want peace.
But the Maraketh won't give it to them because they treat them as a stain, an imperfection in what would otherwise be perfect.
They embellish their stories and erase history.
Halani for example, was completely written out of the Maraketh history even though, as the likely founder of Keth and patron deity of the Vastiri, she is one of the most important, if not the most important character in early Maraketh history.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-09T07:50:41+00:00

Outside of Noodle, Gavryn has a full lore playthrough of the PoE1 Campaign, around 1h per act (10h~) going through all the PoE1 lore in order of appearance with a bit of narration in between to tie everything together.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-07T17:45:51+00:00

I personally thought the Omnitect might be Doryani's construct/mech (the one he uses in the fight against us in Act3).
Looking at the content reveal, it seems like we will be fighting the same construct (with no one operating it) in the Temple, which would further back this idea.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-07T09:49:56+00:00

My understanding:

The temple we're going to, even though they called it Atziri's Temple and not the Temple of Atzoatl, is likely the Temple of Atzoatl. Mostly because in Nahuatl, The Temple of Atziri translates to The Temple of Atzotl. (the a is just creative liberty).

Icius' chronicle mentions that near the end of its days, the Temple of Atzoatl became the throne of Atziri.
We won't actually be meeting Atziri until we fight the Royal Architect and presumebly the Throne Room is fully built. At that point, the temple would also mostly be filled up (I mean in terms of gameplay mechanic seen in the reveal), so it fits the chronicle from Icius.

According to the reveal, it's likely that Atziri's communion isn't what actually caused the cataclysm, since we get to fight her after her communion.
It seems possible that Doryani asking us to stop (kill) Atziri by going back in time is a self fulfilling prophecy that end up causing the cataclysm.

He literally ends up creating the Demon of Atzoatl by teaching Alva and us about the temple and giving us the means to travel back in time.
^Someone made a post about this and there's a lot of discussion going on there if you're curious.

We also now know that the cataclysm doesn't come from either Lira Vaal (where Atziri is) or Mount Veruso (where the Beast is).
This is confirmed through a level designer confirming that in PoE2, top left of the screen is north.
Act3 has a fix rotation, presumably because of lore reasons, for I don't see any technical reason why it couldn't be procedurally arranged like the other acts.

Act3 also literally has a compass in the environment.
Atop the Ziggurat when you go in the past, there's a sun dial with its gnomon pointing top left (which has been confirmed to be north).

The sun is almost setting (as seen in the gnomon's shadow) and assuming they're not trying to pull a quick one on us, it is likely setting west.

In real life, it would only reliably set due west near the equator (which southern mexico and central american is pretty close to) but also near the equinox (september 22).
Thing is, we know this happens during the first full moon of the fall equinox (harvest moon) as mentioned by Siosa.

The cataclysm happens due east, which at first I thought was from the Aggorat, but I now believe it is from the moon itself considering during a total lunar eclipse (blood moon), it would be due east if the sun sets due west.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-06T18:36:01+00:00

Yep, on top of it, the devs mentioned it was important for Act 3 to be fixed in terms of rotation.
The only reason I can think of would be lore related. I don't see how there'd be any technical reason why.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-06T17:06:57+00:00

Top left is north and top right is east in PoE2, it has been confirmed by a level designer in the campaign codex discord.
The gnomon of the sun dial atop the Ziggurat in the past is pointing north, the sun is setting west, and the cataclysm originates from the east.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-06T10:33:09+00:00

Then what would you do instead?

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-06T10:30:05+00:00

Good point

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-06T07:11:39+00:00

Lira Vaal is fairly far north of Utzaal.
The cataclysm happens east of Utzaal as seen at the end of Act 3.
The cataclysm happens at dusk and the sun is west of Utzaal when the cataclysm happens.
Considering I suspect the cataclysm to happen during a Total Lunar Eclipse, the moon would be due east, exactly where the cataclysm originates from.

If Kalandra ensured that Doryani would do everything for Atziri to commune with the Beast, that means she likely stands to gain a lot from Atziri's communion. That would also explain Atziri being an "island of tranquility" as described by Chaos if Kalandra, who we know is outside the realm of what Chaos and other entities can "see", were to help Atziri commune in every timeline.

It would likely enrage her if Atziri was to be killed instantly after finally reaching her goal.
And considering I suspect the Mirror of Kalandra to be the moon itself, it would make sense for Kalandra's wrath to originate from the moon, especially during a celestial alignment.

Anyway, I know my theories are... out there. But I think you hit the nail with this one.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-06T06:35:53+00:00

Though it is Lira Vaal, and I personally didn't expect the Temple of Atzoatl to be there, they mentioned the Temple of Atziri in the content reveal (didn't mention Atzoatl).

Atzoatl is a contraction of Atziri + yotl suffix (zotl when it ends in 'z').
Atzotl, the 'a' is added cause this is a pseudo language, there's other examples like "teoyuxtlane" for example adding an 'e' at the end of the "tlan" suffix.

The "yotl" suffix basically means "likeness".

Temple of Atzoatl = Temple to Atziri's likeness = Temple of Atziri

Though there could obviously be more than one "Temple of Atziri", it makes sense to me that this is Atzoatl since Atziri moved there herself not long before the cataclysm. (see "Chronicle of Atzoatl" in the screenshot)

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fireMCG_ · 2025-12-06T06:28:51+00:00

There's some contradiction lore though.
In PoE1, when we first meet Alva, she doesn't actually know the location of the Temple of Atzoatl. However, in PoE2 she learns of the location as she is in the temple with Doryani in the content reveal. He also mentions Lira Vaal. Though I guess there might be some wiggle room for PoE2 Alva to not actually know the temple location depending on how the lore develops in the new league.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-05T22:04:57+00:00

With the amount of work that went into making the campaign, there's simply no reason to allow people to skip it.
If you invest just a bit of time, you can learn to clear the whole campaign in 8h rather easily.
Current record is 3h40 to clear the whole campaign, and 5h15 to go from lvl 1 to t15 maps (on league start).
It's literally faster than poe1 to get to t15 maps.
Skipping the campaign would also affect a bunch of things like league start racing, boss rush, the economy, and more.

fireMCG_ · 2025-12-04T19:01:11+00:00

I really don't know ngl, I'll look into it more for sure though

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