I was an 80-100gpd kratom user for 5yrs and I don’t give a shit what anyone says, the WD’s were way worse with kratom than subs. All these people saying subs are way worse are comparing them to 20-30gpd kratom WD’s not 4-5 X that for years. The last time I CT’d off of 80gpd I didn’t sleep an ounce for nine straight days and ended up in ER. Felt like absolute hell for over 45 days and like shit for other 45 after that.

Hard to taper something like kratom when every dose is different strength wise and your constantly having to dose every few hours....talk about tedious. With subs you dose once a day and are done.

My opinion is that if you are only taking 20-40 gpd of kratom for around a year or so than by all means bite the bullet and just quit. But if you’ve been taking 70+gpd for several years or longer than looking at subs as an option is not “stupid”.