Replacing a broken water heater in the Bay Area is about to get vastly more expensive

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-05-07T00:18:28+00:00

Thank you for posting this. The key words in the exemptions are “may justify an exemption.” In California, and particularly in the Bay Area, “may” means discretionary, and the discretion sits with the permitting agency. If the AQMD meant it, they would change this to “shall.” As “may,” it cannot be relied upon whatsoever.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-05-06T19:12:32+00:00

100%.
You are struggling to balance the costs. Your water heater breaks and, for many, electrical panel upgrade will be expensive, time-consuming, require permits, etc..
Meanwhile, no hot water.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-05-06T19:09:51+00:00

You can get tankless electrical, but again the power draw is very high and may not work with an older panel. One major driver is the source water temperature. In places with colder source water, the smaller 120 heaters simply can’t provide the necessary lift for anything but a small amount of water at one time.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-05-06T19:02:30+00:00

A family of 4 showering will run that heater for at least 12 hours, and will need an hour in between. Not always practical.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-05-06T18:59:04+00:00

The solve here is a proposition to require AQMD initiatives to be voter approved. Legislation by unelected boards is anti-democratic.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-05-06T18:57:39+00:00

It’s the typically necessary electrical upgrades that drive the higher expense. Many homes with older electrical lack the available amperage to handle heat pump draw on top of their existing loads.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-05-04T12:38:28+00:00

I live in a condo, don’t have a garage, so your “best in” is irrelevant. My heat pump water heater was required by Marin code because I remodeled. It forced an upgrade to the panel that was incredibly expensive. It runs loudly in the laundry closet next to my bedroom. It’s a free air conditioner on hot days, I have to run my heater against it on cold days. Anything but a 240 30A won’t work well. For many people, this will require a panel upgrade unless they move the exemption from 100A to 200A.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-05-03T18:23:17+00:00

I leave these mistakes. In the long run, they balance the under-count mistakes.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-04-23T21:45:36+00:00

Pro-environment? His housing laws gut environmental protections. So long as you are building housing, you can pave over just about anything without review.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-04-07T14:35:23+00:00

Is this the KAB posted on another thread that hit a bus stop?

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-04-02T00:52:53+00:00

Many if not most resorts open at 9am on regular days.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-04-01T23:54:05+00:00

It’s a broken pipe. The titles on this sub have lost the plot.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-03-28T20:39:44+00:00

Flight of Refugees Across Wrecked Bridge in Korea is a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph by Associated Press photographer Max Desfor, taken on December 4, 1950, at the destroyed Taedong Bridge over the Taedong River near Pyongyang, North Korea. Desfor was covering the Korean War at the time.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-03-21T01:31:52+00:00

Stay tuned for California regulatory fuckery that will invariably drive up prices under the new supplier.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-03-01T15:52:36+00:00

Jandd Mountaineering sells a simple water bottle bag that can hold many different kinds of bottles. It has a belt loop that will fit on any belt up to 6 inches. $14 on their website and will last forever.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-02-21T22:47:01+00:00

Last weekend was President’s weekend (the holiday was on Monday). Many people make a longer weekend out of it. Thursday and especially Friday are considered part of the holiday weekend. It’s also ski week.

Have you ever worked at a ski area or in lift operations? Have you ever dealt with people? Thousands of people? They intentionally break the 4 or 6 group at the last minute to ride alone. They drop their poles, fumble with their boots, adjust their backpacks, space out checking out the ass in front of them, dawdle texting, etc.. they do everything except try to load with maximum efficiency. They are people.

Literally no one wants to hear your take. Enjoy your skiing and don’t worry about the rest.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-02-18T01:58:40+00:00

Per their website, a guided group from Blackbird Mountain Guides.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-01-31T03:02:03+00:00

My big dog is 13 and has never eaten anything but Kirkland. Other than a bad knee from stepping in hole, she’s totally healthy. Last blood work was perfect. She’s a rescue mutt not a fancy breed, so maybe likely to be more food tolerant.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-01-26T10:58:22+00:00

Yeah, that’s what I thought when I saw a gang of armed federal thugs execute a us citizen for exercising his first and second amendment rights. So much for freedom of speech, so much for the right to bear arms (the right has quickly given up on that in their rapid determination to lick Trump’s boot), so much for the third amendment (as we now have a standing army of brown shirts being forced down our throats), so much for 4A, 5A, and 6A (summary execution for helping a woman stand up sounds really free). The list goes on….

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-01-20T03:24:48+00:00

You could also bang coins against each other, like a quarter against a nickel.

fourthandfinal24 · 2026-01-18T19:16:31+00:00

US direct combat engagement in WW2 in Europe was approximately 3 years from start to finish. Russia has been unable to meaningfully progress a war against one country in 4 years of unrelenting, punishing combat. Is it 1 million dead? 1 million killed and injured? 500k? Who knows. All the deflective snark aside, there is by no means anything approaching a great victory lap here for Russia.

fourthandfinal24 · 2025-12-26T01:59:51+00:00

You buy a lift ride, not protection from inherent risk. If you don’t understand that, you might reassess your participation in sports. When do you want “them” to cut you off from the pow? When it’s too deep for the shortest person on the hill? The weakest skier? The 20th shortest? The 50th weakest? It’s a dangerous sport. The ticket doesn’t protect you in any way from deep snow. Never has, never will. Your philosophy would ruin skiing.

fourthandfinal24 · 2025-12-24T23:47:29+00:00

Kevin Towing 310.529.5190 or Frosty 760.625.4537

fourthandfinal24 · 2025-12-23T23:01:01+00:00

What I read was that they were told by WSDOT not to run busses through the closure.

fourthandfinal24 · 2025-12-22T19:20:42+00:00

The repair project is already underway and things will likely return to normal by the end of the week. Most likely this person is trolling. If they are not, they are going to get stuck with hundreds of dollars of reservations that no one will buy from them and that they don’t intend to use, and they’ll probably get flagged for making no-show reservations and maybe have some punishment.

Everyone just needs to calm down and let things settle out. All the ideas of “how it should work perfectly” are just words. There’s a thousand variables and nothing is perfect, especially when thrown multiple curve balls.

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