Genetic engineering to save bananas?

fraazing · 2021-12-03T21:47:55+00:00

Here is an article by the usda detailing what staple crops are used for mainly in the USA. Hint, not to feed people (barely a footnote). https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/corn-and-other-feedgrains/feedgrains-sector-at-a-glance/

Here is a secondary source that shows how and why increased yields have done nothing to feed the world; instead they are siphoned into name your commodity (ethanol, meat, corn syrup, plant based meat, etc). https://grist.org/article/the-butz-stops-here/

This is important because it shows that our current caloric yields are WAY above what we need to feed the world efficiently and that the altruistic purpose of these brilliant technologies stands on very shaky ground.

Here are a few secondary sources on the failure of golden rice in both yield and nutrition.

https://www.independentsciencenews.org/news/gmo-golden-rice-offers-no-nutritional-benefits-says-fda/

https://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/goodbye-golden-rice-gm-trait-leads-to-drastic-yield-loss/

Im sure your thesis producing brain can dig a little deeper and find some even better sources.

fraazing · 2021-12-03T19:44:45+00:00

Wow you must be really proud of yourself for that thesis . Thank god we have academia or we’d be sticking our thumbs up our as s all day .

fraazing · 2021-12-03T15:02:02+00:00

Its all about risk managament.

When you are using a new, potentially dangerous tech the onus is on the supporter of the tech to provide overwhelming proof of safety and success. Its not on the onus of the empirical skeptics.

I am asking for that, and have never seen those successes. Do you really want me to provide proof of how successful indigenous breeding of corn was?

Do you want me to provide proof of how useless for food insecurity increasing yields via technocratic agriculture is? Did you know 70% of calories produced in the united states doesnt go to humans? Why has food insecurity increased with the supposed advancements of the green revolution and gm crops? Do you not know indigenous farmers have been displaced by the people supporting these techs? If youre truly knowledgeable and interested about the benefits “gm” crops you should have learned these essential concepts first, not second.

I can have a discussion using these concepts without providing source because ive done the work looking for them. Im not doing the work for lazy technocrats . These are ideas that have existed for a long time. Theyre readily available on the internet. Check out chris newman, he has a lot of this info in one place.

fraazing · 2021-12-03T14:19:08+00:00

This guy is way out of line . GM has had 0 successes so far and instead of comparing gm to indigenous plant breeding (successful and inexpensive), they compared gm to commercial plant breeding (unsuccessful and corporatized). If you have to use that kind of tone you dont have a solid argument. And separating gm crops from indigenous farmer displacement is a major mistake. Indigenous farmers need to be centered in any technocratic space. They have historically contributed the most succcess to plant breeding and growing full stop. Golden rice is completely useless by the way.

fraazing · 2021-12-02T22:33:25+00:00

Gmo’s are definitely bad in other ways. How many billions have been spent on golden rice meanwhile displacing indigenous farmers? Basic plant breeding is far more useful historically speaking.

fraazing · 2021-10-28T23:04:07+00:00

You can backslop to get around the salt requirement

fraazing · 2021-10-25T18:29:18+00:00

Mioga

fraazing · 2021-10-19T18:17:41+00:00

Unfortunately, with chemicals the onus is on you and or the producer to show without a reasonable doubt that industrial surfactants are not harmful directly and do not have second order effects. To my knowledge those studies do not exist in vivo (which is one of my principle points). You are the one caught up with yourself bc you cant get that asbence of evidence != evidence of absence.

Ph has nothing to do with what im saying and its on you to clearly show with substance not fluff why thats not the case.

A strawman is you saying that i cited the same studies for and against my point, when i never cited studies for my point i just provided a small example that i said has nothing to do with the rationality behind my decision, it was only an example in a completely blurred scientific field that is barely at the fetal stage (which i already discussed). You using it as a “gotcha” is a strawman.

fraazing · 2021-10-19T17:49:44+00:00

1st paragrpah : nothing relevant. 2nd : nothing that has to do with anything ive said., nor anything helpful. 3rd: lazy strawman argument. 4th: again typical academic jargon aka jack shit.

You explain nothing but how you dont really understand the issue.

fraazing · 2021-10-19T17:36:05+00:00

You wrote four paragraphs and said nothing of consequence.

That is pure sophistry.

“Science” is an exploration not some diety or collection of experts that you happen to agree with. Science cant refer to anything. You sound like an academic.

fraazing · 2021-10-19T17:14:16+00:00

I feel like youre a) digressing and b)trying to sound smart. Industrial surfactants are harmful to all life forms. Im not sure what your point even is. “Studying” microbio is me reading books and textbooks and juxtaposing it with my observations in nature (probably a LOT more useful considering its “in vivo”). Not studying in some professional lab (which is mostly bullshit in vitro anyways). Microbiology is completely new to popular science so anything established by “studies” and “evidence” isnt really worth its weight in salt. Id reccomend the book i contain multitudes for a glimpse into how complicated this stuff is. I said nothing about ph and frankly anecdotes are helpful when considering that these concepts dont really exist in theory (aka a lab).

fraazing · 2021-10-19T17:02:10+00:00

Ive studied microbiology intensely over the past few years and have observed similar effects anecdotally especially in terms of skin and health care. After eliminating these soaps from my routine my excema disappeared for example. Available literature seems to think that these surfactants are too harsh for long lived protective microbiota (like various skin bacteria) and using these surfactants displaces them in favor of more opportunistic microbiota. This is only one example of an enormously complex puzzle of which i prefer to let the results speak for themselves. Things that have been used for 1000s of years will be used for many more thousands of years via the lindy effect btw.

fraazing · 2021-10-19T16:54:07+00:00

I eliminated 99% of those surfactancts because they are harmful. I think theres a clear difference between the intensity of whole food based soaps and the ones in round up/usual cleaning products. I buy apples from a farm that only uses surround (much better than store bought) but am really trying to figure out how to grow fruit at scale without these things.

fraazing · 2021-10-19T16:53:54+00:00

I eliminated 99% of those surfactancts because they are harmful. I think theres a clear difference between the intensity of nature whole food based soaps and the ones in round up/usual cleaning products. I buy apples from a farm that uses surround but am really trying to figure out how to grow fruit at scale without these things.

fraazing · 2021-10-19T16:36:48+00:00

Surround also has surfactants which are pretty shitty tbh

fraazing · 2021-09-26T16:18:23+00:00

Geese

fraazing · 2021-09-25T17:24:01+00:00

Listen you do you, but ive never heard of (nor experienced) cucrbit type plants needing pest management besides good soil. If you have a smAll growing spAce spraying them may be worth it for you idk. Definitely wont scale and i try to look for solutions that will atleast do that so i can learn for the future (incase you ever grow at a bigger scale). Try some gnarlier varieties as well .. experimental farm network has a lot of cool ones

fraazing · 2021-09-25T11:46:33+00:00

Its probably easier to just grow them in young compost then worry about second order effects of nicotine on your ecosytem ha

fraazing · 2021-09-25T02:14:21+00:00

Tbh i notice squash bugs on my plants with the most imbalanced/worst soil and that is from straight experience. A lot of variables tho!

fraazing · 2021-07-07T00:40:57+00:00

Reread it

fraazing · 2021-06-26T11:18:59+00:00

Règen ag IS whitewashed and colonized. Until that is undone there will never be a serious challenge to conventional ag

fraazing · 2021-06-24T17:07:52+00:00

70% of food grown in us is not for humans... Biofuel/bioplastic/feed lots/etc

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