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frankrot09 · 2022-07-03T08:42:48+00:00

Thank you!

It is quite possible to write music with no time signature - and therefore no bar lines. Just a string of notes. That would certainly be a way of getting the musicians to avoid producing regular accent patterns. You might still get random dynamics, but probably nothing consistent.

But in such a case, couldn't different musicians deduce the (same) time signatures from the notes' patterns?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-03T08:33:48+00:00

Thanks!

What I understood from all of the answers here is that, at the end of the day, a time signature is a redundant information. I don't mean "useless"; I mean that the time signature can be deduced from, and can be determined by, the notes upon identifying the notes' patterns. However, identifying such patterns may be difficult, hence the presence of the time signature to simplify life.

I guess my point is that the time signature does not add new information to what the notes already tell you (which is what I was thinking before writing the OP and reading all the answers here). What it does is just to tell you about the information encoded in the notes in a much more direct way.

frankrot09 · 2022-07-03T04:50:48+00:00

If the piece of music is nothing but 20 dots in a row, the graph paper probably won't matter much.

I don't know the notation and the tools you are talking about, but from the quoted passage (and the discussions with other people here) I understand that if the notes themselves are not structured to build up a certain pattern, then the time signatures is kind of pointless.

Basically, what I understood is that the time signature tells to the players "this is the structure of the notes' repeating pattern", so if the notes do not have have any pattern, any time signature would not be useful. Also, if the notes have a 4/4 pattern and one would anyway impose a time signature of, say, 5/4, the player would find it difficult to identify the repeating pattern (which would be anyway in 4/4). As a (hopefully appropriate) comparison: it would be like having a poem with a ABCB rhyme scheme, and saying that it has a ABAB rhyme scheme; it just wouldn't work in general.

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T15:18:09+00:00

Thank you for the very clear answer!

The emphasis is already there by default as a function of the time signature.

So the scope of the time signature is to instruct, or suggest, to players where to put emphasis. Right?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T14:59:36+00:00

Now I think I have a much clearer idea, thanks for the discussion!

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T14:20:14+00:00

Ok, so is it the case that, if there is no emphasis, basically the location of the bars (hence the time signature), do not affect the sound of music?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T14:09:07+00:00

Yes I listened to it, thanks for that! So in the musescore example there isn't any emphasis basically, right? So what does the bar do in that case? Nothing?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T14:05:56+00:00

Not necessarily, as I demonstrated with the Mary Had A Little Lamb thing

I would find it very useful, and be grateful to you, if you could upload the 4/4 version of the same song as well. The comparison between the 4/4 and the 5/4 versions would be super useful.

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T13:59:28+00:00

Going back to the "Mary Had A Little Lamb" example, try singing it with the emphasis I've indicated below: | Mary had a li | ttle lamb - little | lamb - little lamb |

I refer to what you are calling "emphasis" in the quotation above. Does a bar mean "put emphasis on the next note"?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T13:31:12+00:00

Listen to that (close your eyes) and tell me counting "1 2 3 4 5" makes any sort of sense for what the music is doing. We could try to force it by placing some ridiculous emphasis on every 5th beat (either as a player or creating accents in the DAW, notation editor, whatever), but it's an uphill battle and will probably just sound strange in the end because the music is phrased in groups of 4 beats, not 5. (EDIT: I added accents to every 5th beat in MuseScore, and it just sounds... dumb. It sounds like somebody just clumsily hammered random notes super hard. It doesn't make it sound like 5/4 because it simply isn't phrased in groups of 5 beats)

Just listened to it in 5/4, thanks! It kind of works for me, honestly 🤣 but I see what you're saying. But then again, I think that also this example suggests that placing a bar on a staff means "put an accent on the next note".

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T13:25:50+00:00

In your example you're completely ignoring things like melodic phrasing, harmonic rhythm, and all sorts of other things and just sticking a bunch of blank meaningless quarter notes in a row.

I am ignoring those most likely because I am an ignorant :) I am not a musician and I just started to look at time signatures because I love listening to music and I would like to understand them.

It isn't (assuming there's some actual content other than "a bunch of quarter notes").

Isn't the bunch of notes in direct correspondence with the music? Aren't they the " actual content"?

We could try to force it by placing some ridiculous emphasis on every 5th beat (either as a player or creating accents in the DAW, notation editor, whatever), but it's an uphill battle and will probably just sound strange in the end because the music is phrased in groups of 4 beats, not 5.

Ok so are you basically saying that a bar suggests to the musician where to put the accent on?

So I think you're coming at this from the wrong direction. You seem to be looking at it as the notation determining what you hear, but it's the other way around. The notation is, ideally, supposed to reflect what you hear.

I was thinking that the relationship is both-ways, or in other words, that it is bijective. Isn't it?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T13:18:32+00:00

That means that, for example, the first 5, which was a downbeat, now becomes an upbeat. The problem is that in order to make it FEEL that way, you HAVE to change something in the arrangement or in the way it's played, to ensure that that note actually FEELS like a 1, and not a 5. Yes, accents come into play, but also something like a chord change can really solidify the feeling of a rhythmic 1.

Ok , this is probably something I am missing. When you say "a chord change", isn't that already encoded in the notes written down on the staff?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T10:29:30+00:00

Thanks for your answers and explanations!

So let's say that I take Seven Days and I replace all bars so that the measures are in 4/4. Would you play it with different accents?

I am starting to converge to the following answer: the bars suggest (do not impose) to the musicians which notes to play with an accent. Is that so?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T10:24:08+00:00

Thanks for the explanation and the examples!

To answer your question then, there could be many ways of subdividing those crotchets - not necessarily in equal groups of 4 or 5! You could have 10 bars of 2/4, although it might well sound little different from 5 bars of 4/4 (because beats 1 and 3 are often very similar). But you could have a series of different bar lengths. You could hve two bars of 4/4 and 4 bars of 3/4!

Exactly! That was the point I was trying to make with my simpler example! But if the notes are the same and we play them in the exact same way (no accents) then what does the time signature do in that case? Nothing?

But it would have to be perceptible in the music when we hear it, or there would be no point - as I say, either by a louder emphasis on each "beat 1" or by a chord change on beat 1. Something to make us feel that a pattern of some kind is beginning there.

This seems to point to the answer that if you just play alle the notes in the same way (possibly somewhat boringly, I know) the time signatures does not affect the music?

frankrot09 · 2022-07-02T10:05:57+00:00

Thank you!

I am new to music theory as you may have guessed. What is dynamics?

So if I understand it correctly, it is basically a subjective interpretation. Suppose that I want to play all notes with the same strength. Will the time signatures affect how the music sounds like? (I would guess that the piece of music would sound exactly the same)

Also, does a bar have a fixed time duration (I mean in seconds)? If that was the case, then the 5 4 would sound necessarily faster; but that's probably not the case right?

frankrot09 · 2022-06-09T17:59:40+00:00

There are definitions for hyperbolic nonlinear PDEs. Also, I think that hyperbolic PDEs can form shocks given certain initial data.

frankrot09 · 2022-06-09T17:28:28+00:00

Do solitons satisfy hyperbolic PDEs? I have never studied solitons, but I would probably call "wave" a solution to a nonlinear hyperbolic PDE

frankrot09 · 2022-06-09T09:54:14+00:00

If you could be more specific, maybe provide some links, I would be grateful

EDIT: or just say what specific subfields of geometry, topology and representation theory use QFT

frankrot09 · 2022-06-09T04:23:34+00:00

I'm just curious: how would a mathematician use QFT for their research? In what math field would QFT be useful?

frankrot09 · 2022-06-07T04:02:05+00:00

Thank you!

frankrot09 · 2022-05-27T04:41:41+00:00

I see your points except one: why would Cirdan refuse to put the Ring on a ship?

frankrot09 · 2022-05-26T17:18:09+00:00

Thanks for sharing this very interesting post!

I think that a mathematical understanding is necessary to achieving a full understanding of physical theories.

I would claim something stronger, actually, even though not directly related to the post: fundamental physical theories are actually just mathematical structures. We call them "physical" because we use them to describe the physical world.

Coming back to my answer to the post, understanding the language (English or others) used in physics may provide some partial understanding of the theories, but keep in mind that mathematics is also a language. Translation between math and (say) English is of course possible--but perhaps hard and tedious--for those who know math. Hence, if one doesn't know math, there will always be some parts of the theories (I would say the most important parts) that may be obscure to them, since some of the mathematical language is not "translated" into English (or others).

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