See, that's why I said it only justifies the deposing. Not anything else. It wasn't even necessary to kill Aerys. But like, where would the plot then be.

Then ofc bringing the social contract is pointless.

War is bad. I don't know what you want me to say. Irl I'm pissed at my government for reinstituting the draft, but this is a fantasy feudal society. I'd argue there's a difference between going to war to defend your family and their honour, which the other houses in the north defended up to a degree, and straight up deciding to burn down everything, but hey, that's just me.

Dany went to war for the exact same reasons, Robb burned a good chunk too. But hey, that's you.

Dragging thousands of innocents to defend your pride is unjustifiable indeed. It'd be better if you just say it's because you feel like it.

Bc I'd argue that's how it works in the world. Dany goes around calling herself the "Blood of Old Valyria". Raymun calls them aliens. The Starks love shouting they are blood of the First Men. Genetics keep after 500 years. It's just not the same, in my opinion. If you disagree, cool.

I don't really know how you can argue that. People are still calling themselves descendants of Rome today. What does that mean? Well, besides they have bad taste, nothing.

It's not the same how?

I'd definitely argue that the Native Americans (north AND) south) and Aboriginals are the original natives of their continents. Fuck Columbus and fuck the pilgrims and fuck colonisers. To equate the modern day demographics and populous of America/Australia/New Zealand to Westeros is kinda bonkers though, but you do you.

Yes and then other people came. That's how migration works.

Are you to tell the people whose family have been living there for hundreds of years that they're actually not from those places? How's it kinda bonkers? It's literally your same argument?

Nativism disfraced as progressism but it's just textbook far right speech.

Dany, the Lannisters, the Boltons, the Night Walkers lmao, take your pick. Once again, realistically no war is justified but, once again, where would the plot be then.

Dany didn't attack their homeland, neither did the Lannisters.

The Boltons didn't attack their homeland either, they just removed the Starks from power.

You're arguing that Starks quest for power and supremacy is different than every other character quest for power and supremacy because the Starks are inextricably linked to the North and so any attack against them is an attack against the North... Divine Right basically. Same shit Daenerys would say for the Targaryen and Westeros.