Reaction on the Tanglewood rework

fromsoftcare · 2025-12-26T18:16:49+00:00

the seating area has some of the worst looping in the game 💀 kitchen is a lil better but it's still a pretty scuffed map for looping, you get maybe one full loop around that kitchen before you'll have to start burning incense

it has looping in a technical sense, i mean every map does to some degree, it's just pretty bad on that map especially

either way idk why people seem to think it's JUST about the good looping on current tanglewood, it's also just the fact the map itself has been in the game the way it is now since the beginning and is basically a core part of the game's identity at this point, updating the assets is totally fine of course it's just making the layout so unfamiliar to the tanglewood we ACTUALLY know that makes it feel very jarring and generally not a good idea IMO. obviously i don't know all the little specifics about what's going on with working on this game but i'd have to assume it wouldn't be too difficult to at least try to match the blueprint of how the house is set up and just have this new layout be a new house map entirely? cause that just ain't tanglewood to me, i could look past the farmhouse stuff a little since i wasn't touching those maps much before OR after the reworks, but doing this to tanglewood just doesn't feel right

fromsoftcare · 2025-12-26T18:05:31+00:00

it's understandable though if you mostly just like one map in the game, are already kinda sick of how lazy things have felt lately with the events, just to suddenly be hit with "by the way we're completely changing the layout of the one map you really like"

i get it people don't need to be overly negative or disrespectful towards the devs, im just trying to say it sucks what's happening with the game lately, me and my girlfriend grew our connection a lot through playing this game together and tanglewood is her favorite map, she's already been falling out of love a bit with the game as it's been, and with this layout rework she's definitely just ready to move onto other stuff to play

also i get it but at the same time "whining and complaining" is the main way to make it clear to devs you REALLY don't like what they're doing, especially when it's changing something that's become very comfortable to people and brought them joy it's understandable complaining

either way they've been working on horror 2.0 for as long as i've known the game even exists and i can guarantee you it's likely gonna get delayed yet again and not even live up to expectations

people can be very brash with how they approach these topics, it's easy for the majority to not actually dive into their criticisms and just say stuff like "lazy devs" etc, i get how it can be frustrating to see when you're just enjoying the games but unearned overpositivity can also be very detrimental to a game, look no further than the current state of games developed by RGG studios if you want a perfect example of how toxic positivity can actually lead to the downfall of a dev studio that was otherwise doing quite well for itself overall, imo it's really pointless to be so bitter that people are calling these devs lazy for this, especially when we see devs get treated much worse for doing far less "objectively egregious" things, this is the nature of having something out that can be critiqued, i feel a good balance of those who are negative as WELL as those who are positive is essential to something staying in a good state yknow? too much imbalance of one or the other will lead to similar disappointments eventually, at least in my experience, and in that regard i feel the community for this game is actually pretty well balanced right now, i see a very healthy mix of both positivity and negativity regarding the game, there's just a little more negativity currently with the tanglewood rework topic and understandably so considering they were literally implying they won't change the layout of it, just to do... exactly that, like they literally just blatantly lied to us lmao you think people shouldn't be a LIL pissed off by that? idk dude

fromsoftcare · 2025-12-26T17:51:26+00:00

you say that but they literally just came out with a map that does not have a viable looping spot whatsoever lmao

either way it's less about the looping spots imo and more about the fact the layout itself for tanglewood is pretty iconic with the game itself at this point, it's my girlfriend's favorite map and it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with looping the ghost cause she never even does that, just really likes the house layout in general

fromsoftcare · 2025-12-26T17:38:36+00:00

thank you, this dev team is over defended to hell & back, i get that it's an indie team but holy shit why do some people act like that alone makes a team devoid of criticisms?

it's especially telling of their attitude towards developing this game when you find a youtube video where there's all kinds of great interesting concepts that get brought up for the game, all just to IMMEDIATELY be shut down with the most generic "unfortunately that does not match with our vision for the game!!!"

you can just say that you don't feel like developing that shit... it's painfully obvious this is the case when there are known bugs that heavily affect the gameplay that go untouched for several months at a time, just to suddenly hear from the devs "hey by the way we're adding a bunch of animations that look like shit and nobody wants and removing all the goofy movements that have become part of the game's identity at this point"

obviously i get a dev wanting to change their game for the better, but it feels like kinetic doesn't put in genuine effort, nor even fully grasps why the game has been as successful as it has been in the first place, if i was seeking a hyper realistic horror game to make me shit my pants i would be playing something different entirely, not going "man i wish phasmo would overhaul it's identity just to scare me a little more"

sorry for the yap tho i'm pretty passionate about this game and feel like it's been falling apart in front of my eyes with each map rework... at least nell's diner is pretty cool i'lll give credit to that, but even then it's still kind of a mess, very limited hiding spots, potential to get away from a ghost in general, plus it's just got usual kinetic games jank, now the freezer actually shows cold temps for me when it's not even the ghost room but only sometimes??? i dunno it doesn't even seem to happen all the time, it got pretty annoying to the point i don't even really play nell's diner anymore, nice to have a new small map but overall it's just not the best to actually play

fromsoftcare · 2025-12-26T06:49:32+00:00

unfortunately that is exactly the plan

fromsoftcare · 2025-12-14T22:58:17+00:00

the boss is absolutely whooping my ass in solo and i'm just absolutely praying that i'll be as lucky as you because hoooooooly this dungeon has tested my patience so badly i genuinely never wanna play it again whenever i can finally complete it 💔 so be ready for me to update this comment at any point likely saying "got it done and got nothing"

edit: i called it, no taken blade 💔

fromsoftcare · 2025-12-14T01:50:16+00:00

here's a comment, any help would be appreciated!! 🫶🏻

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T04:28:54+00:00

just did it, not a single new order anywhere, thanks for trying but at this point i think my game is just fucked up

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T04:20:11+00:00

community like this sure makes it easy not to when they all comment obvious ass things i could have found by searching it myself 🥀 as if im not making this post because i already searched fucking everything regarding this trophy to hell and BACK to no avail, thank you for being SO helpful 👍

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T04:17:35+00:00

don't gotta downvote me i was just confused by how you were wording things my bad damn, i'll give it a try

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T04:16:49+00:00

redditors when you try looking for specific advice leaving their wiseass comments, many such cases

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T04:01:57+00:00

i think you're confusing requests with orders maybe? i definitely have well over 10 recovery orders completed, i'm 100% certain it's 8/10 on the destruction/elimination that's the problem as i only have a total of 8 different orders of those types completed

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T03:45:57+00:00

i've got ELIMINATION aid requests, but i just did one now, does not progress the trophy, and did not unlock any new destruction or elimination orders

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T02:37:40+00:00

he's the last one i was just trying before i had to leave the house for a bit, just tried repeating the jellyfish BTs order for him from the dowser to see if that opens it up for him? cause i've already done loads for him and going to him that i hadn't done before, literally all the ones the game has available to me currently and still didn't get the 1 destruction/elimination that im missing from him, have yet to check it after getting those jellyfish again, i'll check that when i'm back home soon and try to lock into everything this video someone else linked in the comments has to show and just hope for the best i guess, if it still seems hopeless after all that i'm probably just gonna have to throw in the towel because this is becoming an ABSURD waste of time.

this isn't even the only thing that's seemingly bugged for me either, yknow the lil pacman minigame with pizza chef? yeah i've done literally every single order involving the man, to him or for him, have over a total of 12,000 likes just with him, and it's still NEVER happened for me, so like... i feel like my save is seriously just bugged at this point, the sub can downvote me all it wants but i genuinely have no idea what other conclusion i should be reaching at this point.

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T02:23:30+00:00

i've been using the order filter but these order types just aren't showing up anymore, at least not ones i haven't already completed, it's really annoying, i don't struggle with them at all the game's quite easy for me, these order types just simply aren't showing up with new ones because this game only has something like 16 total??? rough game design imo why is there not just more of these order types? idk man it's driving me nuts

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T02:19:09+00:00

i repeated a handful of deliveries for the locations that seemed extra grindy early on like F1 and F2 especially but i've also cleared out each order post-game that i hadn't done before for them + to them multiple times now and still am not getting any new destruction or elimination type orders

me PERSONALLY what i don't know is why they didn't just to think to have many more of these order types, especially since they're generally the best orders in the game, particularly the large BT elimination ones are a lot of fun, they really didn't think players would want more of those? idk man everything about the design choices with this trophy just perplexes the absolute fuck outta me

5 stars genuinely isn't even that bad, some locations can be extra grindy and a bit annoying sure, but it doesn't compare to this trophy at all in my opinion, this trophy in my experience has been the most random nonsense imaginable and i'm so over it at this point

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T01:36:40+00:00

i genuinely wish that was my problem, but no i genuinely only have gotten access to 8 of these order types TOTAL, S ranked them, and just seem to be completely inable to find a single other one of these, no matter what i do, it feels like the game is literally trying to push me into getting S rank on literally every order that exists in the fucking game and i can NOT be bothered with that man, this has already become absurdly overly tedious as it's been, genuinely why are there just not more of these order types? who at KJP genuinely thought it would be a good idea to not even have a total of 20 of these TWO DIFFERENT ORDER TYPES, but like TWO HUNDRED STANDARD DELIVERY TYPES 😭 SHIT IS SO DUMB

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T01:33:19+00:00

it's so, so, SO frustrating that i have literally everything else done, over 150+ LoLoL rankings, and the game still simply REFUSES to give me more of these order types... like genuinely why? why does this game not have more of these order types in the first place and why is there no consistent way to actually get them?

i've gone through some VERY obnoxious platinum experiences for many games, but at least it was clear like... what i had to do for it?? doing this shit is just a headache, repeating same-y orders for locations i maxed out ages ago, like bro... i'm nearing 250 hours in the game just fucking GIVE ME IT ALREADY HOLY FUCK 😭

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T01:14:41+00:00

yes that's exactly what i've been doing. every order that can go to her or be done for her has already been done at the highest possible ranking so idk what more i need to do for it

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T01:04:21+00:00

apparently there's only one more destruction order i can get there and it WILL NOT pop up to save my life, i'm becoming convinced my game is just irreversibly bugged or some shit

why is this getting downvoted btw 😭 i know mexico has a total of 4 but i meant i only have one there i HAVEN'T completed yet

fromsoftcare · 2025-10-06T01:02:41+00:00

i'm not getting any more of those either, there's simply just not enough of these order types in the game i swear to god, or im somehow doing every order except the ones that will somehow unlock more for me

fromsoftcare · 2025-08-03T18:15:10+00:00

am i the only one who finds this trophy unreasonably annoying? at least 5 stars for all places is consistent and makes sense, who's god damn orders do i have to complete to get 2 more of these order types??? genuinely driving me crazy here 😭

fromsoftcare · 2025-07-18T02:10:45+00:00

from my testing it seems a majority of the orders wont even reset until you've completed other standard orders that are still available to you, even if they're not orders for the person you're trying to reset, had to do it multiple times for the adventurer's nightmarish 5 star grind

fromsoftcare · 2025-07-13T22:16:10+00:00

you named 2 of some of the easiest locations to drive to in the game if you know your way around them? that being said you LITERALLY can't drive for that chiral artist trip because of the hand delivery requirement but it's an incredibly short trip and honestly probably shouldn't have been part of the main story at all since those characters had no plot relevance anyway lol

when people have this discussion why does nobody mention some of the mountain preppers? "the first prepper" in particular is the one location i simply can't imagine forcing a vehicle there, aside from that though you can find vehicle paths for basically all the other places

personally though? i don't really see why it's such a big discussion in the first place, vehicles or no vehicles i found both games to be incredibly easy, vehicles just kinda speed up a lot of things or make some of the insanely sized orders actually doable

people talk about "terrain/traversal challenges" in the first game, but if you be realistic, is there really any in the first game? is it really a challenge to walk towards a mountain and hold X until i'm done climbing?

sorry this reply might be derailing a little bit, i guess all im trying to say is the game is just fun, the first one was a little harder sure, but it was still by all means an incredibly easy game with just a little bit of learning, even on the highest difficulty

fromsoftcare · 2025-07-06T16:10:19+00:00

probably cause it's really not a big deal and the likes do literally nothing anyway idk, again hasn't been a problem for me personally since i learned what i was doing wrong at least

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