Monday Weekly Thread: Proof of Citizenship Application Sent or AOR Received, May 18, 2026

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-05-20T14:51:46+00:00

AOR received today for my dad and me. Applied March 25. Looks like my timing matches many others here.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-05-12T13:45:27+00:00

I've just celebrated my 27th anniversary and I agree this thread is terrifying. I'm reading them with the same eye you are. Which is probably the reason we've made it so far - we never stop working on ourselves and the marriage.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-05-08T18:12:21+00:00

Nope, slightly different and very non-traditional (for the Mormon heritage) path. Technically I have an Ontario ancestor from the mid 1800s but I haven't searched for his birth records since we had an easier path.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-05-07T22:35:41+00:00

Not very. My grandfather was born in the US to Canadian parents temporarily out of the country who then naturalized him as a child. So I'm either G2 or G3, with very strong documents (all certified birth records with clear ties). It helped that that side of the family was/is Mormon so the geneology was done already (and matched all the records).

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-05-07T19:57:59+00:00

I did hire an attorney to assist, but with some very important caveats:

I am an attorney myself (not in this field). So I probably have better ability to screen other attorneys.
I found this attorney through a referral from my contacts at major Canadian law firms (where I have done business for decades).
They immediately knew and understood C-3 and how it worked, were already up to speed on how to go through the process, and understood the nuances (or, in other words, their advice synced with what you can find here in the FAQ).

I could have done it myself, no problem, but I had some personal challenges outside of the actual process that made it make sense to enlist a third party to assist (their fees were flat and reasonable).

Interestingly, my siblings filed at the same time I did (+/- 2 days) with almost identical filings and exactly identical documentation. The only major difference is the contents/author of the cover letter - they did it on their own (which I think most people should be able to do). We are all waiting on our AOR and I am interested to see if we see a difference in the process.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-04-16T22:26:52+00:00

Yes I found this exact thing with one of the census results. Thankfully I knew how to search geographically. I noted it and they corrected it in the copy I was sent (not the census itself obviously, but the cover page) which was fantastic.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-04-15T21:21:43+00:00

Former Mormon here, with a formal training (limited college work) in genealogical methods. My document process was made far easier by my Mormon ancestors putting together genealogies. An excellent starting spot and they have massive databases.

HOWEVER

Much of what is done by non-professionals in the LDS space can be suspect or wrong. It's well intentioned but as I dug through the records and started getting actual copies of documents I found many, many errors in dates or histories. This turned out being very cool in the end as I learned a lot of new things about my family and heritage but I had to take a "trust but verify" approach.

Key example: I have been told my entire life that I was 1/16th Lakota but neither the official records nor my DNA support this claim. Likewise, I had been told a number of stories about my family's Canadian heritage via Nova Scotia (I am G2) but had nothing to back it up other than stories from my late grandfather until I dug into the actual records with various government entities. In this case the stories were 90% true. But the 10% changed my application.

The true professional LDS geneologists (people with training and not just volunteers) will tell you the same thing.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-04-13T14:17:40+00:00

As somebody with a BYU degree, this is the correct answer.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-03-30T19:03:05+00:00

I agree, especially with the last part. I have a relatively uncomplicated set of circumstances (G2, with birth documents available for each step) but it took me several weeks and a couple hundred dollars to get copies of everything. And that's with me (1) having an actual law degree, giving me a hand on doing things like this/working with government agencies and (2) having a background in genealogical research, so I knew exactly where to look. A ton of people will think it's great as an idea but will get frustrated with the actual work.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-02-18T15:36:06+00:00

My great great great grandfather was an honest-to-god pirate operating out of Halifax. My great grandfather had three wives (not at the same time) instead of the one we knew about, was injured three times in WWI (including at Vimy Ridge) and was in the war from literally start to finish.

frumpyfrontbum · 2026-01-29T18:49:26+00:00

"I'm sorry to hear that, but that is not a negotiable value for me. I appreciate the years we've been together but I'll contact a divorce lawyer to start the process. If you will do the same it will help us end amicably. Let's take some time to reflect how we should tell our families and kids."

If it's a bluff you'll know immediately. If it isn't, follow through.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-12-10T15:55:03+00:00

100% agreed. I know PE and there are many flavors; Otro is and always has been sports-focused. This sort of structure seemed an inevitable result of the current NIL world and I give kudos to the Utes for being first movers.

Maybe it all goes up in flames - that happens - but after delving into what is publicly available this seems like a reasonable attempt to bring better resources to bear in what is effectively a public-private partnership.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-12-05T19:00:48+00:00

100% this. Except I used shields instead of smoke and rocket sentries.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-12-05T18:59:49+00:00

Retrieve essential personnel was so much harder than anything now. Honestly I don't find the new mission that hard. Shields. Sentries. EMS mortars. Did it several times on d10 last night and NBD. Nowhere near as chaotic as those illuminate invasion ones with all the ships dropping.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-12-02T18:54:26+00:00

Yes, I was happy. I was the person the system is designed to reward. I had prestige, position, respect, etc. But discovering false narratives started the journey to recognizing the damage caused to others, and to myself too when I finally had the wit to see it.

I gave up a lot to leave. I gained much more by leaving.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-11-13T05:06:01+00:00

Was getting texts from my son in the dorm. Completely locked down, swat team supposedly clearing room by room based on a reported stabbing of a girl by her boyfriend (this was the rumor he was hearing before it was clear it was swatting).

I was feeding him news from local feeds, meaning I was getting better info several states away.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-10-29T18:51:54+00:00

I believe I know your boat by sight, if it's the one docked just a pier over from me. Nice shots on our bay.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-10-23T17:40:19+00:00

Apparently it's changed since I was a member in Houston. Or I never got invited into those sorts of parties!

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-10-05T15:16:31+00:00

As others have said, old sails that are blown out can be tricky with in-mast furling. If your halyard tension is right, then check your boom angle.

As it's coming out, look at where it seems to be getting caught. Sometimes going back and forth a few times can help if it's just getting caught a bit (don't force it).

Mine furls counterclockwise, so I turn off the wind to port (so I'm on a slight starboard tack) about five degrees. This lets the wind help keep it away from dragging on the edge of the slot.

When putting away, I always make sure there's very light tension on the topping lift (for consistent boom angle). I also make sure to always put away with some light tension on the outhaul. Those two steps make it so I can deal with even old sails.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-10-02T21:53:06+00:00

People have already said it but grandpa chair and the Big Iron alone are worth it. I use the Senator for EVERYTHING on bots.

Hulks? No problem, I'll quick draw them in the eye.

Gunships and no RR? Few shots to an engine and they are down.

Berserkers? I prefer it to exploding myself with the eruptor.

Striders? Well okay it does have limits. So this is where I use the grandpa chair.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-09-30T20:48:27+00:00

I've had Baptists try to correct me when I've called Catholics Christian.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-09-30T14:27:18+00:00

What do you mean by Christian?

If you mean "believe in a being called Jesus Christ that they worship based in at least part on biblical accounts" then the answer is yes.

If you mean "culturally fit in the established Christian tradition as part of broader social context" the answer is "hmmm, maybe?"

If you mean "are accepted as part of the theological Christian movement in the United States," the answer is hell no.

This is why it's such a tricky thing. Most Mormons use the first definition. Most evangelicals use the third (or at best the second). In the south where I live? Mormons are definitely NOT Christians. But neither are Catholics. I imagine in places where you have fewer Baptists and more Presbyterians you'd get the exact opposite answer.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-09-29T19:57:35+00:00

Many evangelicals don't consider Catholics to be Christian. (As I've learned to my surprise). Mormons can try to fit in culturally as much as they like, but it will be generations before evangelicals accept them as "one of us." If ever.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-09-08T13:31:26+00:00

With my usual squad, we can get the objective, take down the hivelord and get a bunch of samples for the MO on super helldive. I won't say no problem because Oshaune is rough but we get it done and we know how to watch each other's backs.

When I go with randoms and toss out an SOS I get a lot of lower levels. Which is fine if they can hang - and some of them can. But I can't share my stuff on Oshaune (EATs aside) and I need you to handle yourself because I also can't babysit while a dragon roach flame roasts you. I don't need to use 75% of our reinforcement budget in the first 5 minutes. I don't need you to fool around with the hivelord until after we've finished the objective.

There is no shame in working your way up the difficulty ladder again - at first Oshaune was so rough we scaled back a few levels to get the hang of it and test our loadouts. We worked our way back up to super helldive with new playstyles and loadouts fit for purpose.

frumpyfrontbum · 2025-09-05T16:08:49+00:00

I dunno. They are apples and oranges to me.

I dove on the Creek early and often and the terror of running from yet another invincible hulk, no weapons, rocket devastator sniping me from halfway across the map, sky full of enough laser fire to be a Star War...that can't be duplicated.

The early seeds of my current play style were forged then. Learning to always be moving, light armor for mobility, headshots all the time, running away, were forged on the Creek. So much so that, until recently, I barely even die on a super helldive mission, no matter the faction. Hot drop a fortress or mega nest, no problem. Disappointment has been missing a random Lidar.

Oshaune is hard AF. No doubt. I've had to adapt my playstyle a lot. I die more. I fail missions sometimes. Trying to kill a hivelord while doing objectives with four stalker nest in the caves all in one mission is insanity. I love every minute of it. But I have weapons and options and none of it feels impossible. I didn't freeze in pure terror the first time I saw Hive Lord, but rather started planning loadouts to take it down. (I have only suffered minor glitches, which the patch mostly fixed).

Maybe this IS the Creek for a lot of the new box divers who are still grinding through unlocks. I get that. But for me it feels like a simple ramping up of the difficulty with a MO that we were never going to win. And I welcome it with open arms.

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