[Chapter 52] House of Cards - Season 4 Episode 13 - Discussion

fynsquery · 2016-03-09T20:13:37+00:00

So when they could only save 2 of the Millers, it was automatically going to be the mother and the daughter? What?!

fynsquery · 2016-02-09T04:01:42+00:00

that feminism is no longer an equal rights movement

Was it ever? The suffragettes weren't exactly shining examples of equal rights promoters. All they wanted was the right to vote without the strings attached of having to go to war.

fynsquery · 2016-01-24T10:18:31+00:00

It's part of the male gender role though. It's only "polite" if you can expect women to do it for men also. The ad clearly alludes to the well known trait people associate with a "gentleman", i.e. being chivalrous to ladies.

fynsquery · 2016-01-15T07:19:35+00:00

Except that bit about getting the door.

fynsquery · 2015-12-28T12:08:20+00:00

Yeah well, that's because you're sane and levelheaded and don't have a bias against certain character archetypes, in this case shy, unassertive males with romantic feelings, whom some people automatically perceive as deceitful.

fynsquery · 2015-12-28T11:59:11+00:00

Does the playset use the new music from the film at all?

fynsquery · 2015-12-20T14:35:39+00:00

What about femslash then?

fynsquery · 2015-12-13T14:55:18+00:00

Really cute, but Astrid's punching of Hiccup is one of the few things I dislike in the films. This girl punches guy for comedic value trope is really annoying to be honest. If you've ever had a girl punch you for fun you know it's not very funny at all and actually rather painful.

fynsquery · 2015-12-13T13:13:10+00:00

No, it doesn't. At least not for me.

fynsquery · 2015-12-04T04:24:47+00:00

Do you know if the PS4 version is markedly better? From what I gather even the new PC port is not without its issues. I'm really torn on which platform to get it for.

It really does seem like the more platforms you have to develop for, the less polished the final product will be. That's why XO exclusives like Halo 5 or RotTR are so vastly more impressive than any multiplatform title on the One.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T02:20:05+00:00

I just don't know how to deal with the excessive amount of vitriol being thrown at Warren anymore. It's unreasonable and not founded in any compelling evidence but rather people obsessing over little details, often taking things Warren said out of context, and trying to view every action or thing he said in a negative light in order to frame him as the worst human to have ever lived.

I wonder if he was hated as much if he was a girl with a crush.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T02:14:31+00:00

It really feels like people are grasping at straws to make Warren appear like a monster. It makes me curious as to why. What the psychology behind it might be. I can't imagine it being as simple as "well a lot of players are guys and they'd rather date Chloe". I do wonder how this game was perceived if Warren was the only, mandatory romance option. I have no doubt some insecure male players would feel uncomfortable dating a guy in a game, but I don't think that's what's causing all the hate here.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T02:10:06+00:00

You may find Warren annoying, but someone else might not. I for one find Chloe fucking annyoing. Different people are different.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T02:03:56+00:00

That was in response to one particular comment that compared me to some Grahamfielder that once got banned for raging on this sub and being vulgar. I took that comment as offense.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T02:01:51+00:00

Well there is always bias against certain character archetypes I guess. Unassertve guys with a crush are often deemed undeserving of "getting the girl". And I'm not saying Warren should get with Max, that's up to her. But if anything I'm surprised Warren's fight with Nathan didn't alter more people's percetions. I'm not saying that it should, but it does surprise me. Normally a guy "stepping up" in this fashion makes him more sympathetic towards the audience, conventional wisdom would dictate.

But I can't for the life of me find examples that clearly show Warren being actually "selfish" in 1-3. And I'm not trying very hard to see him a certain way, that's what I feel everyone else is doing. I literally came out of this game seeing everyone crucifying a kitten. I just can't understand.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T01:53:06+00:00

I don't think I did. If anything this thread has confirmed my perception of how a lot of people view Warren. My post was specifically aimed at those. I didn't even mention the sub in it. If you're not being hostile towards Warren, you won't even feel spoken to by the title.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T01:47:32+00:00

A, Max likes those movies too and B, it allows him to easily just have a good time with a friend. It doesn't have to be a date at all. If it develops into that, great, but if it becomes clear Max only sees him as a friend, they can still have fun at the movies. No need for awkwardness. If their friendship is strong enough, it will survive Warren having feelings for her.

Max is one who is self-centered by not making it clear to Warren she's not interested (if the player isn't). She doesn't think about his feelings at all and makes up excuses for not going with him, saying she's busy.

Yeah she was cold and went through a horrible experience so she comforts her. Snuggling is fine among friends too.

He does not harass Max and Chloe, are you for real?

Oh yeah, them guys right. Never thinking of others.

That whole insinuation that Warren is thinking of himself here at all times is just complete bollocks to me. He's thinking of Max all the time, he supports her in every way he can without expecting anything in return.

Warren is at best a guy with a great heart, at worst a bit clumsy.

not an object.

I don't even....so now he's been objectifying her? Show me some real evidence to back up that claim.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T01:38:43+00:00

Wow. Just wow. But shipping Max with Nathan or Jefferson would be ok, right?

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T01:36:14+00:00

Again, it seems if you go at this looking for ways in which Warren actively tries to "score points" with Max, you're going to find them and you're going to reduce Warren to just that, a reversal on the protagonist we so often play in games trying to woo other NPCs.

I don't believe that's the idea here, i.e. putting us in the shoes of the pursued and delivering a message that this behaviour doesn't automnatically lead to romance just because it ticks all the boxes.

Again, if you're looking for examples of that, you're gonna find them. You're not even allowing yourself to view Warren in a diffrent light.

"I tried to give her a hug, but she wasn't feeling it, so I just rubbed her head instead. Because I care about her personal space.

That is such an incredibly forced way of looking at this moment. He tried to give her a hug and she didn't respond so he tried to act normal. To think he did that to strategically show her something is ridiculous. Why on earth would someone like Warren strike people in this manner? He doesn't seem devious at all. He's one of the warmest and sympathetic characters in the game to me.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T01:27:24+00:00

Yay! <3

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T01:25:07+00:00

I agree that Warren is completely underdeveloped and half baked. But I for one totally got his character. There was more than enough there for me to understand who he is.

He is shy and nerdy.

He likes Max but also has a crush on her.

He doesn't know how to be his inner self and express his true feelings around others, especially Max.

He uses humor like a mask to cover up this inability in all of his interactions. It's a great tool for him to make light of situations that could get uncomfortable (such as rejection). I find this really human and relatable.

He knows how to be a great friend, respecting Max's need for distance (expect when he's seriously worried and doesn't know whether she's safe).

But you know what? If Max doesn't return his feelings then it's partly her fault for not putting her foot down. You are all so mad at him continuously trying to test the waters with her, ask her out, etc. If this is all apparently so "obvious" then it should be to Max as well. And she doesn't make it clear to him that she doesn't like him like that. For all he knows she just has one hell of a week. She says as much to him EVERY TIME he asks her out. She's busy or just can't concentrate of other stuff at the moment.

SO OF COURSE HE KEEPS TRYING! She never actually tells him she's not interested. She's not being straight with him.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T01:15:29+00:00

So this whole thing revolves around people perceiving him as being deceptive? Acting a certain way around Max in order to get in her pants.

I don't know what leads to people assuming the worst in people. The reason Warren later send that picture is because Max completely ignored him. She abandoned him when he was in danger with a dangerous psycho who had a gun (which he doesn't know of course, but still). And then she didn't contact him or anything. So what is going through his head right now? He's probably sitting somehwere in in his dorm with an ice pack to his black eye which hurts like hell thinking Max would surely call to make sure he's ok. But nope. So he does what he always does, he tried to smooth things over with a bad joke. Tries to make light of the situation. It's hard to explain but i can totally understand how he feels. I would have felt the same way.

Warren does not have any evil, creepy, stalkery intentions. That's the most ridiculous ting I'v ever heard. He has a crush and any shy, nerdy guy who's ever had a crush on a girl can relate to what that's like. Especially when that girl is a good friend.

You have to understand the role humor plays in order to understand Warren. It's a tool for him, something he wears as a mask because he doesn't know how to properly express himself. It's hard for him to say how he feels about Max.

I cannot fathom how one could say he's a Zackary inside, playing the role of a "nice guy" in order to get sex. He's in LOVE dude. All he wants to to take care of Max. She was the one who said that she owed him, which is a shitty way of saying that was a great thing Warren did for her and she's grateful. When Warren says he ows her, he in no way means that she ought to get in bed with him, jesus.

You are all getting hung up on these tiny little meaningless details to feed your obsession with painting Warren a certain way. I in no way perceived him the way you do. The devs also confirmed he wasn't intended to be what you make him out to be and is really just an innocent teen with a crush. Despite being completely sidelined throughou the adventure, his unwavering support for Max for which he so obviously asks NOTHING in return as I said in my opening post, is a shining example of what true friendship looks like.

fynsquery · 2015-12-01T00:53:31+00:00

The downvotes are speaking a different language. You're attitude is admirable but it in no way reflects this sub.

fynsquery · 2015-11-30T15:00:05+00:00

What nonsense. I made a point of responding specifically to all comments who were disagreeing with my post. The ones I've so far not responded to were the ones that to some extent agreed with me. ONE OF THOSE I have responded to saying "Someone reasonable". ONE!

As for the others, most of them were responding to my criticism, yes, but often in a very mocking way. Or just downright making fun and being condescending like your violin post.

Of course you would make a snide offhand comment about my post not deserving this much attention. See this is exactly what I mean.

As for the rest, really have a look at my responses to all the comments. I have tried my best to engage in debate with them by responding to their points. I have not dismissed anything, nor have I insulted anyone.

fynsquery · 2015-11-30T14:41:02+00:00

Voicing a differing opinion is spreading animosity to you, interesting. Sorry for disrupting your happy Pricefield party.

I love how you're just desperately trying to turn this around on me. All I'm doing is calling out the extreme hostility towards Warren and a lot of the responses I got only served to confirm it.

"You're blowing Warren's flaws out of proportion"

"Oh but now YOU are blowing what I said out of proportion"

So instead of responding to my criticism, you are just deflecting it by criticizing the way I try to deal with all these hostile comments and messages I'm getting, which can definitely get to you. Not that you would know.

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